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IP: a query more on more ^ 2on European Law Seen As Grave Threat To E-Commerce

From: David Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:03:19 -0400

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To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: edyson () edventure com (Esther Dyson)
Subject: Re: IP: more ^ 2on European Law Seen As Grave Threat To
 E-Commerce
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:39:21 -0400

That's interesting; I'd like to know more. If this is true, then clearly
there is a market opportunity for someone else.  (or do you mean banks?  In
that case, maybe Citibank and other worldwide banks are better, so that the
Visa brand name is not as uniform as they would have you believe.)  ANyone
know any more about this?

Esther

At 08:47 am 09/12/1999 -0400, David Farber wrote:

Credit card companies (other than Amex and that in  limited cases)
are most resistant to handling or reversing foreign charges in
general unless it is out and out forgery (from my limited experience
) djf

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To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: edyson () edventure com (Esther Dyson)
Subject: Re: IP: more on European Law Seen As Grave Threat To E-Commerce
Cc: ip-sub-1 () admin listbox com
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 06:02:20 -0400

Rational alternatives are Net jurisdictions such as TRUSTe - or for
commercial  purposes, Visa or American Express. If I don't like a product I
buy over the Net, I don't call the US Federal Trade Commission or the
Belgravian Consumer Protection Board; I call American Express to stop
payment and to register a complaint. (Enough complaints and the merchant
loses its authorization.)   Yes, this means you have to use a

credit card or

the merchant needs to pay for a seal-program license that the consumer has
to be educated enough to look for.  That's the cost of regulation, but in
these cases it's fairly direct and voluntary, whereas US taxpayer dollars
and Belgravian taxpayer Euros (you hadn't heard; they just joined!) pay for
the government regulatory efforts.

Esther Dyson


At 08:26 am 09/11/1999 -0400, David Farber wrote:

Date: 11 Sep 1999 02:11:50 -0700
To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: bertrand () bidaud com
Law Seen As Grave Threat To E-Commerce

Dave,
You are abolutely right. Imagine a Ecommerce company trying to sell
in US. Yet, his company is based far away, say Malaysia. Would not
the US consumer be more comfortable if it were accountable in US? Of
course it would. And therefore the propects for he company would be
better.

Of course, how to make a company operating "virtually" actually
accountable is not clear. But to say that this direction is a threat
to E Commerce is not correct. It is simply a prejudice for a company
based in US whose main market is the US and other markets are
marginals. It probably repreents an opportunityfor the others, as
long as their business respect proper behaviour, and the law of the
countries are sound.
I agree with you, the issues are more complex than presented in the
article. And if the path is not clear, the "direction" proposed by
EU is worth considering I believe.

Bertrand Bidaud

On Fri, 10 September 1999, David Farber wrote:


Sounds like the alternative is pretty bad. I buy something and end up
having to sue in some little coutry where the company is "based".
What are rational alternatives ?

Dave


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Esther Dyson                   Always make new mistakes!
chairman, EDventure Holdings
interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
edyson () edventure com
1 (212) 924-8800
1 (212) 924-0240 fax
104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
New York, NY 10011 USA
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