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IP: more on The age of new blacklisting is upon us (not related to homeland defense)


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 12:52:37 -0500


From: Todd <todd () bitslinger net>
To: farber () cis upenn edu
Subject: Re: IP: The age of new blacklisting is upon us (not related to homeland defense)


David Farber writes:
>>From: "Janos G." <janos451 () earthlink net>
>>To: "jg" <janos451 () earthlink net>
>>
>>Sysadmins at certain domains are starting to use these lists (eg.
>>http://ordb.org/, http://orbz.org) to filter incoming email. Messages,
>>spam or not, from hosts on the list is summarily bounced. To me, this is
>>a rash and stupid action on their end, but there's nothing I can do
>>about it.
>>

This problem is very difficult.  I am a mail admin at a small ISP that's been
around for about 10 years (and so our older domains are on many spammers'
lists). Were it not for spam, our mail servers would have plenty of bandwidth,
RAM, disk space and CPU.  Because of spam, we sometimes see dangerous spikes
in one or all of the above (excepting perhaps CPU, but that's another issue).
Without filtering of the sort mentioned above, all our customers' mailboxes
would look like the snail mailbox at a student apartment in a college town
(hundreds of pieces of junkmail accumulate per week, what with all the previous
tenants).

To top it off, because our mail system evolved haphazardly, without regard to
scalability way back when, it's a strange and convoluted system, and very hard
to upgrade.  The result being that one of our secondary mail servers was
discovered to be a potential open relay and blocked by some blacklisters, which
ended up in our main server being blocked, as well.  The situation is nearly
resolved, but has taken some time, due to the delicacy of our mail system
(customers dislike losing mail) .

But filtering is necessary.  I see IP addresses connect over and over again,
trying an obviously dictionary-culled list of potential email addresses
@<various_domains_we_host>.  If we didn't block those IP addresses, our mail
logs alone would overflow our filesystem and cause problems.  Even with
filtering, our mail logs have grown from less than 10MB/server/day a couple
years ago to over 40MB/server/day now.

The MAPS system, back when it was free, was very good, comparatively.  The
current state of "balkanization" of RBL services has ended up in some
overzealous filtering by folk I can only describe as fanatics, which has
definitely caused problems, but it's still better than no filtering at all.
Even though filtering has bit us (a very anti-spam ISP), and caused me
annoyance, I still don't agree that it is "rash and stupid". I wish there were
a better solution, but so far, none have arisen.

-Todd

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