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more on Law would put 'In God We Trust' in schools
From: "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:52:22 -0500
------- Original message ------- From: Jim Huggins <jhuggins () kettering edu> Sent: 8/4/'05, 10:46
From: DV Henkel-Wallace <gumby () henkel-wallace org>
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Repeated, public avowals of faith may appear threatening to some, but to me they always come off as the actions of people trying to compensate for their own doubts or self-perceived lack of faith. Those with deep and strong religious convictions are usually content with their beliefs and feel little need to proselytize.
I'm trying to find a way to respond to this with charity and courtesy; forgive me if I fail. I think there's a big concept here that is being missed. There is a large portion of the conservative Christian community who *feels* systematically excluded from public life. Members of this community feel that *any* mention they make in public of Christian religious topics is immediately ruled inappropriate and pushed aside, while any other discussion (including religious discussions) is found appropriate as part of a diverse society. Now you may argue that those people are really a part of the default majority culture, and are in fact not being excluded from life. But perception is reality, and these people have been systematically persuaded that they are being excluded. Whether or not they *are* excluded, they *feel* excluded, and that feeling drives a lot of actions like this. I know the dangers of arguing from an anecdote, but let me offer one anyways. A good friend of mine, who is a conservative Christian, sends her students to a public charter school. During December, they take a week to celebrate Hanukkah, a week to celebrate Kwanzaa, and then a week for students to celebrate "their own holiday traditions" (which ends up being a celebration of Christmas). It seems odd to her that Hanukkah and Kwanzaa get explicit treatment (especially when the school has zero students of African-American descent), but Christmas can't be explicitly mentioned for fear of breaching church-state issues. She has no objection to her children learning about Hanukkah and Kwanzaa; in fact, she is very supportive of those lessons. She just wonders why Christmas can't stand on equal footing. I don't disagree with the claim above that some who complain are doing so out of an emphasis on external rather than internal piety, and that many with strong internal faith do not need external endorsements. (Though I would argue that in many religious faiths, strong religious convictions do directly lead to proselytization. But I digress.) At the same time, I think there is a larger group who feels systematically excluded from public life, and sees a dramatic public move towards re-writing the stories of American history in ways that de-emphasize (or eliminate entirely) the religious motivations of public figures. They are simply looking for someone to tell them that they are valued as a part of our society. And if they can't get that acknowledgement through tradition or public courtesy, they'll resort to legislation and the courts. In my opinion, that's why you're seeing a flurry of laws and lawsuits regarding public expressions of religious expression (e.g. 10 Commandment displays, the Pledge, the motto). As I sit here, I'm watching highlights of Pope John Paul II's funeral, held earlier today. The U.S. sent 5 public figures (Presidents Bush, Clinton, and Bush, Laura Bush, and Condolezza Rice) to represent the U.S. at the funeral of a *religious* figure. I don't hear anyone saying that this was an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by the state. It is simply an acknowledgement of the importance of this religious figure to millions of Americans. I think if there was more acknowledgements of this kind in our culture, there'd be less legal battles. --Jim Huggins ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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