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RE: more on more on Silliness in Action: California Poised for Cell Phone Ban


From: "Lin, Herb" <HLin () nas edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:11:39 -0400

There's also an American study on this subject

http://www.psych.utah.edu/AppliedCognitionLab/WickensChapterFinal.pdf#se
arch=%22frank%20drews%22

and a news article referencing the authors' work
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060630/NEWS07/60630045
3/1009

For me, the relevant question is "how does talking on a cell phone,
either hands-free or hand-held, compare to a conversation with your
front seat driving companion?"  

I talked with one of the authors, who said they've done some preliminary
investigation on this question, and still find that cell phone usage -
handsfree - is worse for safety than the in-person chat.  Their
postulated mechanism is that the *passenger* shares the local context
with the driver and thus moderates his/her own conversation to adjust
for critical times in driving, whereas the cellphone partner lacks the
context.  

I don't know if this work has been published yet.

herb



-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] 
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:29 AM
To: ip () v2 listbox com
Subject: [IP] more on more on Silliness in Action:
California Poised for Cell Phone Ban



Begin forwarded message:

From: patrick thibodeau <smoke_dc () yahoo com>
Date: August 27, 2006 10:26:41 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Silliness in Action: California Poised for Cell  
Phone Ban

I'd love to see links to the science supporting this
contention that the California's proposed cell phone
restriction is silly. Connecticut adopted a similar
law Oct. 1. A widely quoted British study summarized
by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety seems to
offer conditional support to the contention that
hands-free will make little difference.
http://www.iihs.org/news/2005/iihs_news_071205.pdf

Hands-free versus hand-held: The results suggest that
banning hand-held phone use
won't necessarily enhance safety if drivers simply
switch to hands-free
phones. Injury crash risk didn't differ from one type
of reported phone
use to the other.
"This isn't intuitive. You'd think using a hands-free
phone would be less
distracting, so it wouldn't increase crash risk as
much as using a hand-held
phone. But we found that either phone type increased
the risk," McCartt says.
"This could be because the so-called hands-free phones
that are in common
use today aren't really hands-free. We didn't have
sufficient data to compare
the different types of hands-free phones, such as
those that are fully
voice activated."<

Maybe a restrictive law is needed: either ban cell
phone use or stipulate the type of hands-free use that
is acceptable. Perhaps the automotive industry,
working with cell phone makers, can integrate hands
free, voice activated systems into dashboards that not
only allow users to answer calls by voice command but
can read email as well. How difficult would it be to
have users answer a call by flicking a dashboard
switch? If the California law is silly, then what
should be done to reduce cell phone related death and
injury?

Patrick Thibodeau
Washington DC






--- David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:



Begin forwarded message:

From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
Date: August 26, 2006 11:15:52 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: lauren () vortex com
Subject: Silliness in Action: California Poised for
Cell Phone Ban


Dave,

As you know, I frequently speak out against what I
view as silly
laws that fly in the face of logic, science, or just
plainly
observable facts.

In yet another proof that reality and politics often
don't mix,
lawmakers here in California are poised (after many
years refusing
to go along with the bill's main sponsor) to approve
a ban on
handheld cell phones when driving.  This may happen
as soon as next
week.  You can count on Arnold, desperate for
popular actions he can
take so close to election day, to sign the bill.

All of us have been annoyed by the gabbing cell
phone user who seems
to be driving oblivious to everything around them.
So without a
doubt this law will have wide appeal.  And if
experience in other
states holds, the law will have little or no
long-term positive
safety effects, and handheld cell phone use will
quickly rise back to
pre-law levels after a brief initial reduction.

The reasons are obvious.  Study after study shows
that distracted
driving of *any kind* is a key factor in accidents.
While someone
holding a cell phone clamped to their ear is easy to
spot, we're less
aware of the radio manipulators, people screaming at
their children
in the back seat, makeup applicators, food eaters,
and any of a
myriad number of other distracted drivers.  In fact,
studies have
shown that the most common distractions leading to
accidents when
driving are other people inside the vehicle or
things seen outside
the vehicle.

Even worse, research shows quite clearly that
talking on hands-free
cell phones (still permitted under the bill) is
equally distracting
as using a handheld device.  It's the remote
conversation itself
that is the real distraction, not the act of holding
the cell phone
-- plus there's all the situations where people
fumble around to
answer or dial a call even on a hands-free cell
phone.

When proponents of this legislation are presented
with these
inconvenient facts, they tend to reply with, "Oh
well, at least
we're doing something..."

"Something" isn't good enough when it's based on bad
science.  If you
really want to remove cell phones as a distraction,
you need to ban
them totally when driving -- handheld or hands-free,
as has been
done in some other countries.  I'm not advocating
this, nor do I
think that politicians here have the guts for such
actions anyway.
In fact, banning children from cars might be far
more effective in
terms of reducing accidents, however unlikely the
prospect.

To a certain extent this law will be a paper tiger.
Major California
cities don't have enough police to deal with serious
crime, much less
pulling over people for illegal cell phone use.  And
the bill's
penalties -- $20 for first offense, $50 for
subsequent, will hardly
be seen as an onerous burden by most drivers in an
era of $3+ gasoline.

But this law itself is still primarily pandering to
voters in a manner
that flies in the face of science.  Perhaps laws
officially
recognizing astrology will be next here in the
Golden State.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
    - People For Internet Responsibility -
http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, IOIC
    - International Open Internet Coalition -
http://www.ioic.net
Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com



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