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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:06:37 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Bill Daul <bdaul () pacbell net> Date: August 4, 2006 9:34:39 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: dylan () tweney com Subject: Re: [IP] When suburban moms embrace the surveillance society Dylan,Have you not noticed the trend of hiding anything related to government...making it illegal to photograph police already exists in a couple of cities if you believe our list...Bush and Congress just passes a law to make WHATEVER they dislike illegal. You haven't noticed this pattern?
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Begin forwarded message: From: d f tweney <dylan () tweney com> Date: August 4, 2006 2:39:00 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] When suburban moms embrace the surveillance society Reply-To: dylan () tweney com"Sheepdom" hardly seems apt -- what sheep polices the other sheep, after all? That's the dog's job, and in this case the dog wasn't doing it.This is an inevitable result of ubiquitous surveillance. As YouTube proves, we are far more adept at watching each other than the government could possibly be. In the future, it's not "Big Brother" that will be watching us, but millions of Little Brothers.Maybe that's a little creepy. On the other hand it can work both ways. And if the surveillance extends to the halls of government (and those who work in government) then we will have an unprecedented level of transparency into the workings of our democracy. We've already got C-SPAN -- what we need now are a hundred thousand webcams all over Washington. Especially in our representatives' offices.-- Dylan Tweney writer/editor dylan () tweney com http://dylan.tweney.com David Farber wrote:Begin forwarded message: From: Greg Brooks <gregb () west-third com> Date: August 4, 2006 1:36:42 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: When suburban moms embrace the surveillance society Reply-To: gregb () west-third com Dave, for IP if you wish.There's an interesting piece in the Riverside (CA) Press-Enterprise [1] abouta woman who got her house toilet papered and decided to hunt down theculprits. She didn't want to involve the police, reasoning that they hadbetter things to do, so she took the following steps:* She canvassed local stores to see which one had a run on toilet paper.* She then got the manager of the store to show her surveillance videos,allowing her to see the personalized letterman's jacket of one of thepurchasers, as well as the license plate of the vehicle they got into.* Finally, she used a high school yearbook (matched to the school based on the letterman's jacket) and online databases to get the names, phone numbersand addresses of all the teens spotted in the store tapes.To me, this is a bit more than a "talker" feature. One takeaway, IMHO, is that we're pretty far down the road to sheepdom when average citizens start thinking "well, everything's monitored all the time anyway - let's see if Ican make use of that." Warm Regards, Greg Brooks West Third Group [1] http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/toilet_paper_caper ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as dft () tweney com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/ interesting-people/------------------------------------- You are subscribed as bdaul () pacbell net To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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