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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:03:38 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Swire <peter () peterswire net> Date: August 10, 2006 9:50:49 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: RE: [IP] A very interesting question on news from the UK Dave: Hiawatha Bray asks "to foil plots like this, what would IPers do?" I have an article to be published shortly that tries to address that. It's called "Privacy and Information Sharing in the War Against Terrorism." Available for free download in essentially-final form at http://ssrn.com/abstract=899626. The article provides a checklist to apply to proposed information sharing/surveillance programs, and then discusses each item on the checklist. Here is the checklist, FWIW: Due Diligence Checklist for a Proposed Information Sharing Program 1. Will the proposed sharing tip off adversaries? 2. Ends/means rationality. Does the proposal improve security? Cost-effectively? 3. Is the proposal "security theater"? How much does it provide the appearance of security?4. Are there novel aspects to the proposed surveillance and sharing? What
risks, if any, accompany these novel aspects? 5. Are there relevant lessons from historical instances of abuse? What checks and balances would mitigate risks of such abuse?6. Do fairness and anti-discrimination concerns reduce the desirability of
the proposed program? 7. Are there ways that the proposed measure could make the security problems worse?8. What are the ramifications internationally and with other stakeholders?
9. Are there additional, privacy-based harms from the proposed measure? 10. Will bad publicity undermine the program? Thanks, Peter Prof. Peter P. Swire C. William O'Neill Professor of Law Moritz College of Law of The Ohio State University Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress (240) 994-4142, www.peterswire.net -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:33 AM To: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: [IP] A very interesting question on news from the UK Begin forwarded message: From: h_bray () globe com Date: August 10, 2006 9:24:39 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: Re: [IP] more on news from the UK Now that the maniacs have our full attention, I'll ask once more the question I've asked before: What should a government do? How far should it go, to surveil, arrest and interrogate the sort of people who'd plan something like this? It's all very well to complain of governmental threats to our liberty; indeed, such complaints are a vital part of that liberty, so keep 'em coming. But at some point, somebody's got to decide what we will do against these disgusting, murderous fanatics. And so the question: To foil plots like these, what would IPers do? Hiawatha Bray David Farber <dave () farber net> To 08/10/2006 09:02 AM ip () v2 listbox com cc Please respond to dave () farber net Subject [IP] more on news from the UK Begin forwarded message: From: Twister <twister () stop1984 com> (Bettina Winsemann) Date: August 10, 2006 9:02:58 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] news from the UK Hi, Dave regarding the planned attack. ...
One feature, if you read the articles, that might be of interest to IP. In the UK, they've banned people from taking electronic equipment on planes: that means laptop computers, mobile phones, and iPods among other items. See for instance: www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-US-Terror-Plot-Glance.html I have no idea what the security basis is for this decision.
The plan was to bomb the planes via liquid explosives which is the reason to forbid taking liquid with you into the plane. Mother's milk has to be tested by the mother to be taken within the plane The security fears that any mobile etc. could countain a detonator or used as one. ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as bray () globe com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/ ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as peter () peterswire net To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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