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more on Editorial for IP: Fishing in Cyberspace (NY Times, 21 Jan 06)
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:38:58 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Seth Finkelstein <sethf () sethf com> Date: January 23, 2006 6:01:26 AM EST To: "Lin, Herb" <HLin () nas edu> Cc: ip () v2 listbox com, David Farber <dave () farber net>Subject: Re: [IP] more on Editorial for IP: Fishing in Cyberspace (NY Times, 21 Jan 06)
From: "Lin, Herb" <HLin () nas edu> Date: January 23, 2006 1:08:47 AM EST My question - why is the government running those tests NOW? For them to have asserted the superiority of COPA over filters in protecting children, shouldn't they have run those tests BEFORE they made such an assertion?
The original government arguments disfavoring censorware were more about intrinsic properties, for example: http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2003/3mer/2mer/2003-0218.mer.aa.html "Filtering software is not nearly as effective as COPA's screening requirement in shielding minors from commercial domestic pornography on the Web. Filtering software is voluntary, while COPA's screening requirement is mandatory. Filtering software also blocks some sites that are not harmful; it fails to block some sites that are harmful; it can be expensive for parents to purchase; and it quickly becomes outdated. Congress also did not view mandatory screening and blocking software as an either or choice. It mandated screening and encouraged the use of blocking software as well. That combined approach is far more effective than the use of voluntary blocking software alone." The Supreme Court opinion *required* more censorware evidence: http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/03-218.html "Second, there are substantial factual disputes remaining in the case. As mentioned above, there is a serious gap in the evidence as to the effectiveness of filtering software. See supra, at 9. For us to assume, without proof, that filters are less effective than COPA would usurp the District Court's factfinding role. By allowing the preliminary injunction to stand and remanding for trial, we require the Government to shoulder its full constitutional burden of proof respecting the less restrictive alternative argument, rather than excuse it from doing so. Third, and on a related point, the factual record does not reflect current technological reality-a serious flaw in any case involving the Internet. The technology of the Internet evolves at a rapid pace. Yet the factfindings of the District Court were entered in February 1999, over five years ago. Since then, certain facts about the Internet are known to have changed. [...] It is reasonable to assume that other technological developments important to the First Amendment analysis have also occurred during that time. More and better filtering alternatives may exist than when the District Court entered its findings. Indeed, we know that after the District Court entered its factfindings, a congressionally appointed commission issued a report that found that filters are more effective than verification screens. See supra, at 8." Practically, given the structure of the argument, one would want to do tests as close to the trial as possible. The government has an incentive to "talk down" censorware here. And if one tests a censorware product, and finds it's garbage, the censorware company often replies along the lines of "That was yesterday's version. Today's version is perfect. And it's up to you to prove otherwise". (this cycle can continue an exhausting number of times). -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer http://sethf.com Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/ Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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