more on Who they're spying on DO READ

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Bob Perdriau <bobp () marketwriter com>
Date: June 15, 2006 8:07:12 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Who they're spying on DO READ

I found Brock's article on lists interesting. Still the average  
person can hardly be expected to differentiate between lists,  
especially as the government will say nothing useful explaining them.

I think the main point of Anonymous' communication is that the  
government has succeeded in cowering he and his wife.

I concur.

Exactly a year ago my wife and I were flying from Seattle to Juno, AK  
to join a cruise. There were a large number of people getting on the  
same flight for the same purpose and the airline opened a special  
check-in line just for cruise passengers. The first passenger in line  
was singled out and told he could not fly. When the TSA people  
realized we were all going on the same cruise they refused to let any  
of us board. Much discussion got us nowhere for quite some time.  
Finally, they took our drivers licenses and other ID and disappeared  
behind closed doors. When they returned we were all permitted to  
board. The process took over two hours and the only reason we made  
the flight was that it had mechanical problems that had delayed it.  
Failing that, we would have missed the ship's departure as there were  
no flights until the next day.

The economic cost of that would have been quite staggering to say  
nothing of missed vacations. Anybody believe TSA would pick up the  
tab? Didn't think so.


On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:04 PM, David Farber wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Brock N. Meeks" <bmeeks () cox net>
> Date: June 15, 2006 5:58:14 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Who they're spying on DO READ
>
> As abhorrent as the TSA list is, I think it's also imperative that  
> when we
> go to battle over such things that we at least get the terms  
> straight so
> that we know what we're debating.
>
> I can guarantee you that Mr. Anonymous' wife was not  and IS NOT on  
> the "Do
> No Fly" list.  I will put up $5,000 on a bet to back up my  
> statement if Mr.
> Anon wants to take me up on it.
>
> You see, there are TWO lists that come into play here, one is the  
> hardcore
> "do not fly" list.  A person appearing on that list WILL NOT FLY;  
> they are
> known, criminal threats to aviation security and would be jailed if  
> they are
> caught.
>
> The second list is much more nefarious because it catches so many  
> people in
> its net, such as Mr. Anon's wife.  TSA refers to this list as the  
> "selectee
> list."  This is the list that has caught several famous people in  
> its web
> because their names are the same or similar to those that appear on  
> the
> selectee list.
>
> I wrote a piece about this for MSNBC just about a year ago called  
> "Faces of
> the No Fly List" (and of course, the headline writer was fudging, too,
> because no on in my story was actually on the "no fly" list).
>
> You can read it here:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8705746/
>
>
>
>
> On 6/15/06 3:09 PM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:
>
> > From: Anonymous
> > Date: June 15, 2006
> > Subject: Re: Who they're spying on
> >
> > There are many unknown consequences from the recent laws
> > circumventing privacy and security constraints on the government.
> > For example, the TSA "Do Not Fly" (DNF) list is being used by law
> > enforcement agencies to capture anyone with an outstanding want or
> > warrant.  As we all know TSA will not tell you why your name is on
> > the list.  Moreover, they will not say where the names come from that
> > are on the list.
> >
> > My wife ended up on the list, which lead to a 2+ hour wait to be
> > cleared at the airport. During that time we talked with several TSA
> > people and one police officer.  After TSA finally decided she could
> > fly, they invoked the standard procedure to clear someone which was
> > to have a local police officer run a warrant/want check.  I mentioned
> > to the TSA officer that the DNF list sounds like a good way to
> > capture anyone wanted for a crime. He said yes, and I believe he said
> > that some law enforcement organizations were putting many names on
> > the list.
> >
> > I asked Dave to make this posting anonymous because after this
> > problem with the DNF list, which went on for several months/trips, my
> > wife and I are much less willing to publicly confront our government.
> >
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