Re: Google News

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

From: nelsberg () gmail com [mailto:nelsberg () gmail com] On Behalf Of Ted Nelson
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:41 AM
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip () v2 listbox com; Frode Hegland; Ted Nelson
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Google News

 

We've got a misunderstanding about Disney and rights 
 here.  Adam speaks of
> The same double standard that says that Disney can
> take characters and stories from the public domain, copyright them,
> and then lock them up and prevent other people from using them. 

Disney cannot remove characters and stories from
 the public domain; public domain is forever.  You too
 can film a "Snow White," "Aladdin," "Little Mermaid" or
 "Pinocchio" (as Benigni did recently), since all those 
 stories were published before 1920 and are therefore
 public-domain.  But your movies from these stories
 better not look like Disney's!  And your dwarves better not
 be called Doc, Sneezy, Grumpy or Dopey.  What Disney 
 copyrights is their own variations and enhancements of
 the public-domain stories.  (And of course "Bambi" and
 "Dumbo", which were never in the public domain, they
 bought and own outright.) 

Best, Ted




On 8/9/07, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:



-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Fields [mailto:ip20398470293845 () aquick org]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:48 AM
To: Dave Farber
Cc: ip () v2 listbox com
Subject: Re: [IP] Google News

For IP, if you wish:

On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 05:10:33AM +0900, Dave Farber wrote:
[...]
>     One thing that bugs me: they're now hosting original news content, yet

> they prohibit other aggregators from crawling it (per robots.txt
> restrictions and TOS). Of course Google News relies on the openness of
other
> organizations with original news content."

I made this exact same argument with respect to Google Print almost
two years ago:

"Google is not a public service, Google is a business. Google isn't
doing this because it's good for the world, Google is doing this 
because it represents a massive expansion in the number of pages they
can serve ads next to. In order to do that, the index remains the
property of Google, and no one else will be able to touch it except in
ways that are sanctioned by Google. It's not really about money, it's 
about control. It's against the terms of service to make copies of
Google pages in order to build an index. Why should it be okay for
them to make copies of other people's pages in order to build their
own? It's not that they're making money that bothers us, it's the
double standard. The same double standard that says that Disney can
take characters and stories from the public domain, copyright them,
and then lock them up and prevent other people from using them. [...]
How is what Google is doing any different? Google is just extending
the lockdown one step further, into their own pockets. There's no
share alike clause in the Google terms of service, and <b>that</b> is 
what's wrong with it. They want privileges under the law that they're
not willing to grant to others with respect to their own content."

http://www.aquick.org/blog/2005/11/11/whats-wrong-with-the-google-print-argu
ment/

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