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IS Nader at it again?
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:16:26 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Paul Levy <plevy () citizen org> Date: February 24, 2007 6:57:18 AM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: IS Nader at it again?I had assumed from reading this thread that it was clear that Ralph was running again, but I attended the DC opening of the film, "An Unreasonable Man," which Ralph also attended. There was a Q&A afterwards, and when someone asked a question that assumed his candidacy yet another time, he did not embrace the assumption but rather talked about who he would LIKE to see run.
For those who are still open to considering the issues posed by Ralph's persistence in running in 2004 and 2000, I thought the movie did a reasonable job of presenting forcibly the two sides to the controversy.
Paul Alan Levy Public Citizen Litigation Group 1600 - 20th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20009 (202) 588-1000 http://www.citizen.org/litigation
David Farber <dave () farber net> 02/20/07 2:55 PM >>>
Begin forwarded message: From: "Kobrin, Steve" <kobrins () wharton upenn edu> Date: February 20, 2007 2:39:11 PM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: RE: [IP] Re: Nader's at it again There is one additional point that has not been discussed here. It is one thing to argue that there is no real difference between the two major parties from the comfort of an office in a university or tech firm. I suspect that if any of us were a single mother trying to scrape by, someone who had to send their children to public schools in Philadelphia or any other large city, a minimum wage worker with a family, a young girl wanting an abortion, or some one who needs health care without insurance we might have a very different view. I am not even going to get into issues such as the War in Iraq or the environment. While there are many arguments for a third party with a more progressive outlook, arguing that there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is a conceit of the comfortable. Steve -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:13 PM To: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: [IP] Re: Nader's at it again Begin forwarded message: From: Severo Ornstein <severo () poonhill com> Date: February 20, 2007 2:04:17 PM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Nader's at it again Most of those who responded to my message about Nader agreed with my assessment, but a few persist in arguing for the rights to a third party - pointing out the all too obvious faults with both the major parties and their candidates. But people are dying - lots of them every day - and a third party (though it would clearly be a good thing) is obviously not going to happen right away. So third party candidates can only be spoilers and a progressive candidate like Nader clearly takes more votes from Democrats than Republicans. One can of course argue that no matter what happened, there was going to be enough fraud that Bush would have won, and several argue that Nader's participation didn't throw the election to Bush. I believe that's simply wrong. Of course the real trouble is that nearly half the voters DID spring for Bush - even in 2004 when it had become crystal clear that his administration was a catastrophe. I believe an alternative voice such as Nader's is vital - desperately needed. But when I saw how close the election was likely to be, even though I live in a state (California) that was almost certainly not going to go for Bush, I reluctantly decided not to vote for him. That Nader himself did not withdraw at the last minute for the same reason seems evidence of unforgivable arrogance. Severo ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/@now Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/@now Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/@now Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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