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Re: videotaping of violence NOT outlawed in France
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:06:46 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Marc Aniballi <marcaniballi () gmail com> Date: March 8, 2007 3:04:33 PM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: RE: [IP] Re: videotaping of violence NOT outlawed in France Dave;Just to clarify - CRS is not a SWAT team - they are typically used in riot control and general public security, but the guys in black with a SWAT look
are either Gendarmes Mobiles or GIGN (counter terror) which are bothdivisions of Gendarmerie Nationale (GN) which is akin to the US FBI in that
they have a national mandate. GN however has more jurisdiction locally within France since they are often the only local police force (somewhatlike the RCMP in Canada) and they are a military organization rather than
civil. Disclaimer: My brother in law is a Major in the GN - so I like them!! :D Marc Aniballi -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:23 PM To: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: [IP] Re: videotaping of violence NOT outlawed in France Begin forwarded message: From: DV Henkel-Wallace <dvhw () talima com> Date: March 8, 2007 12:20:50 PM EST To: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com> Cc: David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: [IP] Re: videotaping of violence NOT outlawed in France The two countries aren't that different, really. But certainly in France, the folks likely to whack someone are the CRS (sort of like a SWAT team, but with far more autonomy), and you _don't_ film them; you give them a _wide_ berth and try not to catch their attention. You have rights, but with only two exceptions I can think of, these guys have generally been able to act above the law. In the USA I teach my kid that the cops are your friends...but will he still believe it when he's older? I hope so. Over the past couple of decades the rules here (US) have become far more punitive. Oddly it hasn't seemed to have made for a more civil society. -d
Date: March 7, 2007 5:56:10 PM EST From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com> Does videotaping an incident where the police are beating up a demonstrator or a criminal (unnecessarily) amount to "in order to get a proof in justice"? This might be a matter of some concern depending on how one must demonstrate intent at the time of taking the videotape. If it were America, I'd suggest taping a label on your camera - "all footage being taken by me are intended for use in court as proof, should I need the video for that purpose". Such a declaration might not work in France as a statement of (potential) intent - especially if I were taking the photos or video as a means of spying on the government. I understand that in France everything that is not permitted is forbidden.
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