Read Moderator note Your Thermostats or Your Life!

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

every one compains that I dont send their note out yet others complain when they get oo much of one topic. Damn if you 
do and damn i you don't djf

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From: David S. Isenberg (isen) [isen () isen com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM
To: jis () mit edu
Cc: David Farber
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:  Your Thermostats or Your Life!

Jeff,

As I pointed out to Dave F in a submission to the IP list
yesterday, the Con Ed system is operated
via a Con Ed website and a Con Ed controlled radio link.

This would give Con Ed the potential to control the "singing"
that you appropriately hypothesize . . . I don't know how the
California system is proposed to work.

Dave has not published my letter yet, but perhaps you
might be interested:

>       From:     isen () isen com
>       Subject:        Re: Your Thermostats or Your Life!
>       Date:   January 14, 2008 9:03:06 AM EST (CA)
>       To:       dave () farber net
>
> Dave,
>
> For IP list per your judgement:
>
> I was curious about how the existing Con Ed program
> Steve Bellovin described worked, and what the
> user interface and the Internet interface were.
> It turns out that the Internet connection is via
>
> ". . . a wireless two-way paging network operated
> by SkyTel to communicate with your thermostat.
> It does not require either a telephone or computer
> line. When you communicate with your thermostat via
> the Internet, your instructions are carried over
> this two-way paging network as well."
>
> The paging network transciever is a
> ". . . thin rectangular-shaped box with an antenna
> that is mounted to the air handler."
>
> You may program the thermostat manually or
> " . . . access your thermostat on our Web site at
> http://www.conEd.com/cool by selecting the thermostat
> link . . . Once logged on, you can see what the
> current temperature is, change the temperature
> set point, review your current program, or reprogram
> the thermostat."
>
> Source: http://www.conedprograms.com/faq/faqResidential/
>
> Unlike the one-way controls that California is proposing,
> this has some user control (albeit via ConEd's own
> UI and infrastructure).  And, importantly, as Lauren and
> others point out, once you sign up, ConEd exercises
> some degree (pun ack) of control over the temperature
> of your private residence.  Plus it knows about your
> heating and cooling practices, and from that it will
> be able to infer a lot about how you live.
>
> David I
> ------------------
> http://isen.com/blog


On Jan 14, 2008, at 7:03 AM, David Farber wrote:
> ________________________________________
> From: Steven M. Bellovin [smb () cs columbia edu]
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:37 PM
> To: David Farber
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re:     Your Thermostats or Your Life!
>
> In New York City, Con Ed has a voluntary program with similar goals.
> They're giving customers free, Internet-controllable thermostats (see
> http://www.conedprograms.com/) -- *if* you agree to let Con Ed adjust
> your setting at peak times.
>
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On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:27 AM, David Farber wrote:

> ________________________________________
> From: Jeffrey I. Schiller [jis () mit edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:52 PM
> To: David Farber
> Cc: Michael O'Dell
> Subject: Re: Your Thermostats or Your Life!
>
> For IP if you wish.
>
> I would hope that the system has enough dampening in it. Imagine
> everyone using the same energy management software at home. When the
> price goes up, the demand goes down, the price goes down the demand
> goes
> up!
>
> We know that effects as subtle as the famous "Network Synchronization"
> bug can have a large impact. Wonder what happens when a power system
> resonates! [hint: I don't really want to know!].
>
>                         -Jeff
>
> > this is not to say i'm delighted by the notion of someone turning the
> > dial for me, but the time is coming when there will be a live data
> > feed with the instantaneous prices for power. there may be
> > significant
> > advantages to having active power management in the house so it can
> > turn the knobs.
> >
> >         -mo
>
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