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Shaw comments -- whether prices are excessive.
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:35:59 -0700
________________________________________ From: Mary Shaw [mary.shaw () gmail com] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: David Farber Subject: Re: [IP] whether prices are excessive. Dave, Some further thoughts in response to various replies. Perhaps I should note that I speak both as an author of technical books and textbooks published by the usual suspects and as an author/publisher of regional guidebooks for which I do everything down to writing the check to the printer. 1. The retailer's share: Yes, I was describing the brick-and-mortar retail model. The retailer has to pay rent, hire staff, keep physical copies in stock (and someone has to pay shipping on the stock), deal with shoplifters and shop-worn goods. Electronic distribution clearly change the model. Even online sales allow amazon and others to offer deep discounts. Publish-on-demand seems to be gaining a foothold for small print runs; last time I checked the publish-on-demand prices with online fulfillment by the printer appeared to be in the same ballpark as retail prices for books and mortar, maybe a little higher (or with smaller margin to the author/publisher). I did not intend to suggest that electronic distribution would eliminate this cost, but the sources of cost -- and therefore the proportions -- will certainly change. 2. The wholesaler's share: To the extent that this is warehousing and tracking unsold copies and assembling shipments to individual stores, electronic distribution would change this, possibly by replacing the conventional wholesale/retail function with a different, direct-to-the-consumer function. Again, the cost model will be different. But even for physical books, textbook fulfillment could, I think, be streamlined. You know pretty much who will want the textbooks at course registration time, at least a month before the course starts. The market is pretty big. I've thought for a long time that there ought to be a market opportunity for streamlined packing and delivery specialized to that market. 3. The publisher's share: Just as there's a difference between a program and a software system product (recall that Brooks says two factors of three are involved), there's a difference between the course materials I prepare for one course and a textbook, especially a textbook backed up by instructor's manuals. The publisher provides credibility (that is, the imprimatur of being selected for publication), editing to improve the quality of the product, marketing to get the books seen by potential instructors. The publisher also takes the financial risk of investing in the initial setup: the editing and formatting/typesetting and the cost of the first print run. I have found publishers reluctant to make initial print runs larger than a few thousand, because they don't want to have a large stock of unsold copies. Only a small fraction of the textbooks sell tens of thousands of copies. Don't underestimate the value of editing, especially for students who have grown up on flashy interactive media and have high expectations for production values. Are publishers trying to get high margins? Sure, they're in business. However, I have not personally encountered the pressure to revise for the sake of a new edition that others have reported, though. 4. The printer's share: Yes, electronic transmission of pdf files would change the character of the market. I do not, however, believe that it would eliminate the cost of putting ink on paper. The paperless office has not yet arrived, and I believe the most likely outcome would be to transfer printing costs to the universities' printers, a much less cost-effective way to get the ink onto the paper. 5. The author's share: It would be nice if altruism made free high-quality materials available, but I'm not sure that's realistic. I believe there's hope for getting instructors to make their course materials available, but see the remarks above about the difference between handouts and products. It takes a great deal of effort on the part of both the author and the editor to get a presentable textbook that will work for students other than the author's students. I believe strongly in open access to the research literature, but I'm less confident of the success of free distribution of textbooks. In the research case, grants have paid most of the cost of writing the papers. In the textbook case, the university has paid the cost of developing and offering the course, but usually not for the additional effort of producing the textbook. A few years ago I was part of a group that wanted to share the effort of developing course materials (just that, not textbooks) in an emerging area in the style of open source software. It was a small community with shared interests, and some material was shared out -- but I never saw much use and revision by others. Other textbook models: Several years ago freshman biology texts got really huge. Most courses would use the first few chapters, plus half a dozen or a dozen of the other several dozen chapters. I believe that the publishers started producing university-specific editions, with all the commonly-used chapters plus a tailored subset of the rest. The advantage was keeping the price down; the disadvantage was limiting the resale audience. With electronic publication, it's easy to imagine variants on this. Note, though, that the author and publisher costs don't go down (and may go up, because you have to worry about dependencies between the optional parts. Another model is to use a collection of small books or monographs, each presumably re-sellable. This probably increases the total cost, and it forces the instructor to think about choosing compatible books for the units -- using the same terminology and notation, for example. This alternative is related to "course packs", bundles of reprints often used in advanced courses. There is a long history of copyright and fair use issues about these that I won't go into, but my experience is that students find it challenging to be faced with different authors' voices every day. In the end, I think we should be looking for another textbook model. In addition to requiring a new model for distribution of materials and reasonable compensation for the people and companies involved in creating and distributing the material, this will require some careful thought about who bears the responsibility for integrating the various parts of the content. 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