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Penny Black & bandwidth
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:42:08 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Scott Moskowitz <scott () bluespike com> Date: October 17, 2008 9:39:32 AM EDT To: dan () lynch com Cc: Dave Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: for IP : Penny Black & bandwidth -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I object! With due respect, of course. It is not monetary consideration that should be charged but bandwidth which is the commodity being scaled. It is the "medium of exchange" in our networks and is thus a more appropriate means of measurement. Allowing ISPs to charge for something without regards for a consistent business model never getting the competitive juices flowing in the market - more to the point, ISPs sell the user data anyway under the rubric of SEO/small business marketing/etc. Plus, how can you expect such a system to work between providers when a comparable market, namely text, has not been subject to competition in a market sense. If you know what your network is & how it is defined between you and your provider then business models can evolve. E-mail is a service that can be priced in terms of bits per seconds, arbitrary values like a penny should be discouraged to better value information services; but, the apparent refusal to price this way must mean there is too much value in providing it for "free" - spam has more value than free e-mail to the provider. Next, bandwidth is continually getting cheaper - the kilowatts to run all these machines is not. So, ideally, the value add in labor to innovate against these purely human problems ("spam" must work or humans would not do it & ISPs would not tolerate it to the extent they do - *or* the cost is already being borne by us with little "objections") exists to solve the problem. Last, how do we do the accounting? What is a fair split between "my network" & the access I get from the ISP? Do sender & receiver pay? If so, why? The preference would be to assume that the ISP will continue to emphasize billing & advertising as the bulk of their expenses while forcing them to allow innovators to maximize the bits in any bit per time calculation of their choosing within reasonable terms of service with their provider concerning what is "my network" & what is the provider's? Billing on that basis is more likely to enable more innovation around the network instead of fights over whose penny it is. I do agree with Prof. Farber - a penny today may indeed be zero cents in three years - probably sooner. Sincerely, Scott Moskowitz http://www.bluespike.com/ I would bet that most ofany money would go to overhead of billing and staff. It is one way to kill email I guess. Also a penney today and 0 cents in three years Begin forwarded message: From: Dan Lynch <dan () lynch com> Date: October 16, 2008 12:04:35 PM EDT To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Comcast blocking mail to its customers Why don't we admit that the root of the problem is money? Both the source of the problem of spam and the solution to it. Spammers do it to make money. Duh... And since email is essentially "free" they are sending out billions of free emails. A "solution" is to charge for email. A penny a post. That will stop bulk spammers dead in their tracks. And which of us is not willing to spend a penny per email sent? (We already do spend more than that with our ISP charges and equipment amortization.) Oh, I know there are problems with implementing such a system, but the benefit is huge. The penny could do into a Universal Fund (to be fought over, for sure) and non profits could apply for refunds for their causes, etc. Bring on the objections! Peace, Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.8.3 (Build 4028) Comment: ldap://keyserver.pgp.com/ Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFI+JWf4pyNKt60a9cRAkZKAJ0Taw0EjgTW8rBkcxDS9LZ2l2BjEACgqXG3 eVpfkz9/1dnc2ebjhOLyATU= =iqHy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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