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Re: the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID split
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:57:25 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: John Day <jeanjour () comcast net> Date: October 31, 2008 9:59:20 AM EDT To: Jonathan Smith <jms () cis upenn edu>, David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: Fwd: [IP] Re: the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID splitSince I am not on the list, (( I just invited him)) I will send this to you guys and let you do with it what you want (including trash it.) ;-) May as well have a little fun with this.
Obama isn't a socialist of that I am pretty sure of. But I am not so sure of Mr. Lynch! ;-)
I thought the way to keep price under control was with market systems that exhibit strong competitive feedback. Or course, that is difficult to do when you are trying to work with half a network architecture.
What is this reaction? Sounds like spoiled boomers that as soon as what they built doesn't work as they thought go crying to Daddy to make the big boys play fair?
We have known what the seminal problems were to solve for 30 years. They chose to ignore them.
Seems to me that when the going gets tough, the tough get going. They don't start sniffling for artificial fixes.
O, and the name is Day, not Daly. We are both from Illinois, but I leave upstate to them.
Take care, John
Begin forwarded message:From: David Farber <dave () farber net> Date: October 31, 2008 9:16:57 AM EDT To: "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com> Subject: [IP] Re: the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID split Reply-To: dave () farber net Begin forwarded message: From: Dan Lynch <dan () lynch com> Date: October 30, 2008 9:02:38 PM EDT To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>, "Mike O'Dell" <mo () ccr org> Subject: Re: [IP] the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID splitOk, Mike, I ordered the book. It better unlock the mysteries of life for me! What I fear is that ANY reimplementation of addressing will be hijacked by the 'carriers'. Heck, it is in their interest to glean as much revenueout of their investments. Unless we the people figure out how tore-regulate their bit pipe assets. Oh, we think we try to do that, but our lovely graft stricken political system makes it impossible to do that and make it stick for even a few years. In the coming years of financial crushwe may be able to find the political will to regulate the pipes. Isincerely hope so. I have no problem with all the value add services that anyone wants to add on top and charge whatever the market will bear, but using the pipe ownership (which because of its "rights of way" being ownedby all citizens) as their monopoly club is just dead wrong for thecitizenry. The Telecom Act of 1996 was supposed to separate out all the pipes from the services, but Congress and its creations backpedaled on thatas we all know. Time to try again? Meanwhile I will read John Daly's book on the true joys of NAT! On 10/29/08 11:54 PM, "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:Begin forwarded message: From: mo () ccr org (Mike O'Dell) Date: October 29, 2008 8:28:25 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID split Dave, an indulgence if you would. there is a persistent urban myth (which gets repeated here with some frequency) which states that splitting "network addresses" into location-dependent and location-independent components is the secret to life, the universe, and everything. i know that myth quite well because once upon a time i subscribed to it and made a serious proposal to do just that with IPv6. But if you want to find out why the myth is wrong and what it takes to have it work right from first principles, you're going to have to read a book that will likely take some work: "Patterns in Network Architecture: A Return to Fundamentals" by John Day It contains more than a few deeply profound insights. Among other things, you'll discover why "global addresses" are an abberation, and that "NAT" is an absolutely natural technique to use in structure networks - it's just the introduction of an arbitrary abstraction encapusulation. In fact, the ugliness of "NAT" is directly related to how, uh, "unfortunate" the underlying architecture really is. this is indeed a shameless plug for John's remarkable book. if you really want to know what a clean, deeply elegant network architecture based on solid fundamentals can look like, read his book. cheers, -mo Full and Fair Disclosure: I reviewed the text along the way as a work in progress. ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.comTel. 707-967-0203 Cell 650-776-7313 My assistant is Dori Kirk Tel. 707-255-7094 dori () lynch com ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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