Re: Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as New C.E.O. [with comments]

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Andrew C Burnette <acb () acb net>
Date: July 1, 2009 9:01:28 PM EDT
To: Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
Cc: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:     Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as  
New C.E.O. [with  comments]

Bob, et al,

I think we agree on all points involved.

I simply note the similarities in the problems with the 800 phone
directory (e.g. free "call my company" names/numbers) and DNS. there's a
sequence of TLD's (800, 888, 877, .com, .net, et al) that are not
helpful to the end user. If I as a user want to shop at target, why
should the .com matter at all? (rhetorical at the minimum). As a user,
should I not be able to type in "target" (pick any brand name) and have
a reasonable chance of getting to the right place safely?

I allude to the similarities in the built in distrust or lack of
acceptance in self signed SSL/TLS certificates. I run into the same
issue on my "friends and family" mail service (three dozen domains or
so) when setting up clients with self signed certs. Whom do you trust,
and how do I share that trust effectively?

Both are similar issues faced in the DNS schema as it exists now, and
both in need of a broader, distributed, but trust based solution. (do
you seriously trust that NSI, a former defense contractor (SAIC) has
your interests in front? I know you don't but it's not obvious to the
common internet user in anyone's imagination).

I suppose my unstated point is the fact that we fail in a larger sense
to learn from prior mistakes.

Suggestions welcomed ;-)

Cheers,
Andy Burnette

Bob Frankston wrote:
> Phone directories were instruments of social policy - you had to pay  
> to
> not be listed. It increased traffic. Today we have reached critical  
> mass
> and the emphasis has shifted to controlling our availability. The only
> people who want “phone books” are direct marketing companies. (That’s
> also why caller-ID names are faked – the real CLID names are sold to
> marketing companies).
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew C Burnette [mailto:acb () acb net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:03
> To: dave () farber net
> Cc: Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as New
> C.E.O. [with comments]
>
>
>
> Same land grab took place when 888, 877 and so on were added to 800
>
> numbers. the increase in available real estate was far less than
>
> expected of course.
>
>
>
> fundamentally flawed structure as Bob well points out.
>
>
>
> but is it dissimilar to the [antiquated] telephone directories of
>
> yesterday? in practice, most folks have replaced those with a  
> p2p[erson]
>
> style of phone number exchanges among family and friends.
>
>
>
> (I can find people via any number of social networking sites faster  
> than
>
> I can get their phone numbers, as it should be the same with self  
> signed
>
> security certs)
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> andy
>
>
>
> David Farber wrote:
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> >
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> > Begin forwarded message:
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> >
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> > *From: *"Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com
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> > <mailto:Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>>
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> > *Date: *June 30, 2009 10:59:08 AM EDT
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> > *To: *<dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
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> > *Cc: *"James Seng " <james () seng sg <mailto:james () seng sg>>, "'Lauren
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> > Weinstein'" <lauren () vortex com <mailto:lauren () vortex com>>
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> > *Subject: **RE: [IP] Re:    Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as
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> > New C.E.O. [with  comments]*
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> >
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> > Whatever the original mission of ICANN was we've learned a lot since
>
> > then we need to do more than spawn lots of little NSIs – that's not
>
> > competition, it's just a feeding frenzy. ICANN isn't addressing the
>
> > fundamental dysfunction and failures of the DNS:
>
> > ·         The DNS cannot be a directory but adding support for more
>
> > languages only reinforces that misconception.
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> > ·         We still don't stable identifiers – the new gTLDs just
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> > continue the tradition of creating billable events.
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> >
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> > A fundamental principle of the Internet is that those outside the
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> > network create their own solutions. Yet the DNS has turned out to  
> > have
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> > been a failure – it keeps control firmly inside the network and  
> > it's
>
> > very existence frustrates efforts to move on. ICANN should be doing  
> > all
>
> > it can to deprecate the DNS. As an interim the DNS should immediately
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> > and without any further ado provide for stable handles that don't  
> > have
>
> > semantic baggage and thus have no need to be reused. It should then
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> > encourage others like WIPO and private companies like Google, Skype,
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> > Microsoft etc to provide their own directory and registry services
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> >
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> > Ultimately we mustn't have to a fatal dependency on a single central
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> > point of failure and control like the DNS. In the meantime we  
> > should be
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> > doing what we can to reduce that dependency. It should also tackle  
> > the
>
> > failed idea of the IP address that has made routing unnecessarily
>
> > complicated and assured identifiers are not stable thus leading to  
> > the
>
> > kludge called the DNS.
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> >
>
> > To put it another way – ICANN is a finger in the dike. We shouldn't
>
> > treat it as a solution but rather a reminder that dike is in  
> > desperate
>
> > need of repair. Can an outsider provide the kind of stronger  
> > leadership
>
> > necessary to move ICANN beyond its original mission so it can do what
>
> > has to be done to assure the continued vibrancy of the dynamic we  
> > call
>
> > "The Internet"?
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> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
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> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 09:14
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> > To: ip
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> > Subject: [IP] Re: Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as New  
> > C.E.O.
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> > [with comments]
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Begin forwarded message:
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> >
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> > From: James Seng <james () seng sg <mailto:james () seng sg>>
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> > Date: June 29, 2009 9:42:42 PM EDT
>
> > To: dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>
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> > Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com <mailto:ip () v2 listbox com>>
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> > Subject: Re: [IP] Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as New  
> > C.E.O.
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> > [with  comments]
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> >
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> > I have a lot of respect for Lauren for her [his djf]  work on  
> > numerous
>
> > issues on
>
> > Internet. So I am surprised and concerned about the tone Lauren has
>
> > taken on ICANN.
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> >
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> > While there are certain room for improvement for ICANN in various
>
> > areas, the opening of new gTLD is an area that was a slated goal from
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> > ICANN from its early days of formation of introducing competition to
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> > back-then Network Solution and now Verisign.
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> >
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> > Competition and choice for consumer is good. One may argue what the
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> > balance should be, it is another take a position that ICANN is 'one
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> > notch short of scam' in trying to introducing competition to the
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> > marketplace.
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> >
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> > -James Seng
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> >
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> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:12 AM, David Farber<dave () farber net
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> > <mailto:dave () farber net>> wrote:
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > Begin forwarded message:
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> > >
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> > > From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com  
> > > <mailto:lauren () vortex com>>
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> > > Date: June 27, 2009 11:09:15 AM EDT
>
> > > To: nnsquad () nnsquad org <mailto:nnsquad () nnsquad org>
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> > > Subject: [ NNSquad ] Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as New
>
> > > C.E.O.
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> > > [with comments]
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > This decision had been rumored for weeks.  Three comments:
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> > >
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> > > 1) The more TLDs that are introduced, the more confusion there is
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> > >  among both domain name holders and the Internet user community in
>
> > >  general (that is, the population of the world).  As such, the main
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> > >  TLDs already in common use (com, net, org, edu + country TLDs)
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> > >  gain in value and demand since they will increasingly stand out
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> > >  amongst the clutter of MOBIes, SEXies, WIMPies, WACKies, and who
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> > >  knows what else, most of which will quite rightly be treated by
>
> > >  consumers as confusing nonsense.  The driving force behind the
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> > >  introduction of new TLDs at this stage is creating new profit
>
> > >  centers through consumer confusion, and ICANN has become the
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> > >  primary enabler of a domain name regime that we can charitably
>
> > >  categorize as just one notch short of a scam.
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> > >
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> > > 2) ICANN is increasingly a white elephant whose original
>
> > >  justifications have been warped in ways that Kafka might have
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> > >  appreciated, but that no longer tend to serve the interests of the
>
> > >  Internet community at large.  It is difficult to see how it
>
> > >  can have any long term future, especially given the international
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> > >  forces in play.
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> > >
>
> > > 3) To Rod Beckstrom: You thought things were screwed up at NCC?
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> > >  You ain't seen nuthin' yet.  Lotsa luck ... you're gonna need it.
>
> > >
>
> > > --Lauren--
>
> > > NNSquad Moderator
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> > >
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> > > - - -
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> > >
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> > > ----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave () farber net
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> > <mailto:dave () farber net>> -----
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> > >
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> > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:30:32 -0400
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> > > From: David Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
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> > > Subject: [IP] Icann Hires Former Cybersecurity Chief as New C.E.O. -
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> > >       NYTimes.com
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> > > Reply-To: dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>
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> > > To: ip <ip () v2 listbox com <mailto:ip () v2 listbox com>>
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> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/06/26/technology/AP-US-TEC-Internet-Names.html?ref=technology
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