Interesting People mailing list archives

Success of the Internet


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:33:56 -0400



Begin forwarded message:

From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Date: September 29, 2009 9:31:38 AM EDT
To: nnsquad () nnsquad org
Subject: [ NNSquad ] Success of the Internet

On 09/28/2009 10:25 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
The real rationale for the datagram network architecture was to create a space for experimentation; that's why everybody embraced it as soon as it was formulated. This internetting thing was actually a flop; we actually have one big network made of self-similar parts, not a bunch of different ones. Interconnection works best if everybody runs all the same protocols, so we do.
Richard, this is what they call a "just so story". A myth made up to explain origins. Like Kipling's "How the Elephant got his trunk".

1) Asserting that "the real rationale" was to create a space for experimentation is historically wrong, as is the claim that "everybody embraced it as soon as it was formulated". This is neither true of the project to design and build the Internet protocols, nor is it true about earlier datagram arguments. I say this as one of the people who argued strongly for splitting TCP into two layers - TCP and IP, and creating the space for the User Datagram Protocol. This decision, made by the group of TCP designers, and was hard fought for many reasons. It was a good decision, but it was hardly "embraced by everybody" - in fact much of the Internet community continued to claim it was a mistake - that datagrams were a bad idea for congestion control and other things, in other words for "network management".

The same thing is true for Pouzin's arguments, of which we were *all* aware - at least those of us who fought to put first-class datagrams into the Internet. Pouzin's ideas were resisted, in both the traditional "bell" community's approach to packet networking, and the research community, except by a few folks who saw that networks between computers that were only imagined would be much better suited by message-exchanges and complex multiparty protocols.

So much for that part of the "just so story" - "How the Internet got its architecture"

2) The idea that we actually have "one big network made of self- similar parts" is meaningless as a description of the Internet as it is. Perhaps that is the "ideal" that is described as a desirable state of affairs in John Day's book. But it's not real. First of all, the network functions are not present in the same form or the same way at all levels. Day considers only routing and flow control to be "network functions", and even there he is wrong: the routing and flow control mechanisms of the 802.11 MAC (which I can't resist pointing out that *you claim to have been responsible for*, though most doubt your claim has much to it) are not "similar" in any respect to the routing and flow control within the DOCSIS access network or the original ARPANET that carried some of the Internet's traffic in its latter days.

In fact, the Internet is full of diversity, both below the neck of the hourglass (IP) and above it. And the neck of the hourglass, while providing some unity among many diverse parts, hardly makes it a "one big network" - it retains a great deal of flexibility because the IP layer divides very clearly what endpoints can expect and what networks can do in a way that is universally adoptable. But that layer implies a minimal set of agreements - each one crucial to creating the internetworking story.

3) Finally, your language in saying the "internetting thing was actually a flop" is absurd. The entire history of the Internet was growth by including more and more networks into the overall thing. The design was specified to be able to run over any kind of network - for the reason of being able to integrate networks of many diverse types. Unlike John Day and others who might think that we could throw all those old technologies (DSL designed for video dialtone, ISDN for smart phone instruments, Ethernet for local areas only, Bitnet, Frame Relay for backoffice interconnect, ...) away and build a new network from scratch, the Internet succeeded, and continues to succeed, by absorbing new technologies and networks, according to the relatively successful formula of transporting IP packets on top of any old kind of network that can be made to be:
   1) addressable by some kind of binding (ARP, ...),
   2) capable of forwarding IP datagrams between gateway routers,
   3) not needing to inspect the content of IP datagrams to do the job,
and
4) capable of signalling congestion or failure by dropping (and optionally marking) IP datagrams.

It took a long time to sort out all the issues of the Internet's deployment, because of the diversity of infrastructure, not because of illusory "self-similarity"

This is actually not a "flop", but the opposite. No other architecture for networking has been so successful.






-------------------------------------------
Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now
RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/
Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com


Current thread: