Re: The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Tor Fosheim <tfosheim () gmail com>
Date: March 12, 2010 9:44:13 AM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield

If I may;

We are seeing the classic development of shut doors, walled gardens and market controls that also exist in the 
publishing of printed books; whomever controls the printing press, also controls what can be printed -- and nowadays, 
this printing press i rapidly turning digital, and the printing press is turning into the distribution process.

The general idea of digital printing, is that this removes the classic barriers to entry (no need for printing presses, 
very low investment etc etc) -- but presents hurdles with distribution and marketing -- as already seen in the music 
business.

You would like to put your book in front of as many eyeballs as you can and everybody seems to be racing to create the 
one go-to place for just that.

The best solution is of course free of DRM; and some sort of community publishing store, that i would hope someone can 
create for a nominal fee, without censorship or market control -- and you can just publish text files, for that matter!

The tools are there; it is the traditional marketing-thinkin that seems to be ruining it all for us. 

I might also add that according the Copyright act of 1976 (before the Sonny Bono extension) (ref @ 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_1976 ) ,The Catcher in the Rye would have been exempt by now, and would 
have been available through the Gutenberg Archive et cetera et al and so on.

Wich I had more time to write something a little more sensible about the development of the digital book market and the 
historical controls of the printing press, economical preconditions and the like -- but i dont.

Alle best from not-so snowy Oslo :)

Tor

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:07 PM, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Date: March 12, 2010 6:58:36 AM EST
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Subject: Re: [IP] The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield


While not directly about Holden Caulfield or copyright, I find Charlie's comments disturbing.  "Apple has decided not 
to allow pictures of naked women in bad taste on iPhones."  First, Apple has decided to disallow a lot more than pix of 
naked women.  (See Google's phone app for the most obvious example.)

But more importantly, since when does a hardware vendor get to decide what I use my hardware for after I've paid for 
it?  It is MINE, so MY taste should abide, not Apple's.  Or so I believe.  Would anyone care to argue differently?

Add in the fact the iPhone becomes a paper weight if a user leaves AT&T, and how can anyone seriously argue these 
concerns are not valid?

As for people who have never tried it, I own an iPhone.  I like many things about it.  But that doesn't mean I can't be 
upset over other things.  For instance, I -hate- the fact that I cannot get a provisional accept/reject from Apple 
until I have completely coded an iPhone app.  And even if they accept it, they may change their mind and disable it on 
all my customer's phones after they have downloaded it!  And guess what they have to tell me? Nothing.

This is more than "well, just don't buy it if you don't like it".  This is about who owns the hardware and software 
after the user has paid for it.

--
TTFN,
patrick


On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:38 PM, David Farber wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: jhorton <jhorton () rockiehost com>
> Date: March 11, 2010 6:23:58 PM EST
> To: Charles Pinneo <pinneo () sbcglobal net>
> Cc: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> Thanks for your comments.  I want to clarify though that I am not
> picking on the iPad or anyone's specific device.
>
> The concern I was expressing was a future where controversial books such as Catcher exist
> only in digital form and that Apple/Amazon or Sony or whichever company
> is running ebooks at that time comes under pressure, societal or legal
> to remove such a book.
>
> That day will come in my lifetime and the actions of todays Amazon and
> Apple around content give me no reason to believe it isn't likely.
>
>
> When that day comes I do still hope that the controversial books of
> yesterday, today and tomorrow continue to exist as dead tree.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 03:00:21PM -0500, Charles Pinneo wrote:
> > Dave,
> > Jeff
> >
> > If Apple decides not to publish "The Catcher in the Rye" you will still be able to buy it on Kindle, Barnes & Noble, 
> > at a used book store, or from Amazon or Alibris. As far as I know Apple has decided not to allow pictures of naked 
> > women in bad taste on iPhones. How is this a bad thing? "The Catcher in the Rye" has not been published on the iPad 
> > because the iPad won't be out until April. Why are we criticizing Apple for something they didn't do? Apple does not 
> > have a lock on publishing yet. Why don't you blow the whistle when they do something naughty. So far Apple has made 
> > innovations in music distribution and in the future they will make exciting new innovations in e-book publication.
> >
> > David Pogue said this about iPad bashing: "Now Phase 2 can begin: the bashing by the bloggers who've never even 
> > tried it: "No physical keyboard!" "No removable battery!" "Way too expensive!" "Doesn't multitask!" "No memory-card 
> > slot!"
> >
> > That will last until the iPad actually goes on sale in April. Then, if history is any guide, Phase 3 will begin: 
> > positive reviews, people lining up to buy the thing, and the mysterious disappearance of the basher-bloggers."
> >
> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/technology/personaltech/28pogue-email.html>
> >
> > Charlie Pinneo
> > pinneo () sbcglobal net
> > ------------------------------
> > On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:14 PM, David Farber wrote:
> >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > From: jhorton <jhorton () rockiehost com>
> > > Date: March 10, 2010 6:01:11 PM EST
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Subject: [RESEND with corrections] The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield
> > >
> > > Hi Mr. Farber, love your ip list.
> > >
> > > Todays messages about Apples content made me want to send you a blog
> > > post I wrote recently that has my concerns about the future.
> > >
> > > If you find it interesting please feel free to forward.
> > >
> > > I aplogize, I found a couple errors after I sent, please use this copy instead if you like
> > > it.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > >
> > > The recent actions of Apple and Amazon to punish e-book publishers that
> > > had differing views and to further control over book consumption. As
> > > well as the death of J.D. Salinger and the issues surrounding his book
> > > The Catcher in the Rye lead me to believe we should be concerned about
> > > the future of books for all of us.
> > >
> > > Both Amazon and Apple are moving to control distribution of e-books to
> > > their respective devices, and thereby dominating delivery and
> > > consumption as has happened to music. The music business has been very
> > > happy to get Digital Rights Management services on their itunes music
> > > and we should expect the same from the book publishers. You will not own
> > > your book but instead have a possibly term limited, third party
> > > controlled access.
> > >
> > > The unfortunate thing is that people are more likely to try and break
> > > the controls on music and not on books. The very information that we
> > > have collected to advance our society will be exactly that which is
> > > locked away. The library industry is surely fretting at its ability to
> > > continue to delivery borrowable materials in a world where the false
> > > scarcity no longer exists. But we still need the library, we need the
> > > access and we do not need it limited.
> > >
> > > Now what does Holden have to do with this. Well for anyone who doesn't
> > > know, the book has had a long history of controversy for its content. I
> > > quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catcher_in_the_Rye
> > >
> > > "In 1960 a teacher was fired for assigning the novel in class. He was
> > > later reinstated.[28] Between 1961 and 1982, The Catcher in the Rye was
> > > the most censored book in high schools and libraries in the United
> > > States.[29] In 1981, it was both the most censored book and the second
> > > most taught book in public schools in the United States.[30] According
> > > to the American Library Association, The Catcher in the Rye was the
> > > tenth most frequently challenged book from 1990–1999.[9] It was one of
> > > the ten most challenged books in 2005, and has been off the list since
> > > 2006.[31]"
> > >
> > > There were then, are today, and will be books that annoy parents and
> > > various groups. But maybe next time the material will exist in an e-book
> > > DRM vendor controlled format. That makes it only one short click from
> > > being filtered forever.
> > >
> > > Who would do such a thing? Well this is where we get back to our
> > > vendors. Amazon had pulled an entire publisher Macmillan, and Apple is
> > > well known for filtering and rejecting Apps with little or no feedback
> > > or reasoning. And they both have this power as they are the only way to
> > > get to those users.
> > >
> > > Someday, Jeff Bezos or Steve Jobs companies will come under pressure to
> > > filter, or define material as inappropriate for their platforms. When
> > > that day comes I hope Holden and his future friends have also spilled
> > > some real ink and not just been as virtual as any other imaginary
> > > electronic world.
> > >
> > > Jeff Horton - Idea Technician
> > > rockiehost.com/jhorton
> > > twitter.com/jeffhorton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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