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Re Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial

From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 11:15:06 -0400



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From: "Synthesis:Law and Technology" <synthesis.law.and.technology () gmail com>
Subject: Fwd: [IP] Re Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial
Date: July 22, 2017 at 10:48:07 AM EDT
To: ip <ip () listbox com>, dave () gmail com, gaj () portman com

At law, it is up to the person making an assertion to demonstrate its soundness and lead others ( the court or the 
court of public opinion) to what they claim is the inevitable conclusion.   Its not up to anyone to do anything 
unless and until a real basis for claim is made.  This is also true in science although with the " shouting" going on 
these days it may not be obvious.

When someone says "this" applies it is up to them to demonstrate it.  If you are uncertain, then you may draw your 
conclusions from that.  I suggest that the conclusions have already been drawn from reading the text of law starting 
with the first word after (b).


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From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com <mailto:farber () gmail com>>
Date: Jul 22, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: [IP] Re Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial
To: "ip" <ip () listbox com <mailto:ip () listbox com>>
Cc: 




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From: Gordon Jacobson <gaj () portman com <mailto:gaj () portman com>>
Date: July 22, 2017 at 9:35:03 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial

I am really not a fan of the Government having any control or say over the Internet and at the same time, I am not 
comfortable with the the major Carriers, Telcos and Cable Cos dominating any part of the marketplace for Internet 
Services.

That being said, absent Congress actually telling everyone to keep their bloody great paws off of the Internet (and 
I really do not see that as likely to happen anytime soon), how else can we prevent total domination of the space by 
a relative handful of monopolists?

Brett (and providers like him) are NOT the target of the public's ire. The majors are the target, mainly because 
they have the power and the lobbying clout to block the public interest - seemingly at will. 

I am not saying they will or won't act against the public's interest, but if I am to judge by past actions (the 
anti-competitive municipal and state legislation blocking local cities and towns across the country from building 
their own municipal networks just as a simple example), I would not be making any wagers taking the side of the 
likes of Verizon.

Brett quotes 47 USC 230(b) and (f), which he says makes "Regulation of the Net" clearly illegal.

47 USC 230(b) and (f) may be found at:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

 <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230>Would one of the IP list's Legal Eagle's like to explain how one 
could draw that conclusion from its text?

--Gordon Jacobson



At 09:49 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:



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From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat net <mailto:brett () lariat net>>
Date: July 21, 2017 at 10:42:19 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial

Dave, and everyone:

Even an HD video stream -- much less one that exceeds the resolution of a mobile phone -- does not take 10 Mbps. 
Thus, the fact that a "speed test" -- a site which does not in fact test capacity but instead conducts a denial of 
service attack and reports the throughput when the connection fails as the "speed" -- indicates 10 Mbps does not 
indicate a problem. In fact, it may well indicate that Verizon is doing good management of its network, protecting 
it against DoS attacks while generously allowing more video bandwidth than any legitimate user would consume.

Of late, corporate interests pushing for illegal, harmful, innovation-killing regulation of the Internet have been 
seizing upon any attempt by ISPs to manage their networks' resources as an attack on consumers. Exactly the 
opposite is the case.... In fact, when my users recently found their connections saturated and nearly crippled by 
overly aggressive Microsoft Windows updates, some actually asked me to rein this traffic in (which I did for 
them). While Microsoft or some other edge provider may find it to be in its interests to monopolize an Internet 
user's connection, the user may (and, usually will!) disagree. It's the ISP's job to give the user the best 
possible experience, and I strive to do this.

It's time to curb the hateful "fake news" and anti-ISP rhetoric. ISPs like myself sweat, work evenings and 
weekends, and even risk life and limb to provide Internet users with good service. Regulation of the Net -- which 
is clearly illegal under 47 USC 230(b) and (f) -- harms network performance, raises bills, deters investment, 
slows deployment, and limits consumer choice by making it impossible for new market entrants to raise capital. 
It's time to debunk the many false claims about so-called "network neutrality" regulations, exposing them as 
inconsistent with the founding principles of the Internet and harmful to all but the large corporations that lobby 
for them.

--Brett Glass

At 03:39 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
 




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From: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <geoff () iconia com <mailto:geoff () iconia com>>
Date: July 21, 2017 at 4:59:53 PM EDT
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>, Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com 
<mailto:dewayne () warpspeed com> >
Cc: ip <ip () listbox com <mailto:ip () listbox com>>, "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann () csl sri com 
<mailto:neumann () csl sri com>>
Subject: Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial



Verizon Wireless has been throttling video feeds from Netflix over the course of this week, with the carrier 
claiming it is part of a temporary trial of system to optimize traffic from video streaming services without 
impacting quality, though customer reports seem to suggest it is a bandwidth cap on Netflix content. 

On Thursday, Reddit users were complaining 
<https://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/6ogu9s/netflix_throttle_megathread/?sort=new> about speed issues when 
using Verizon to watch video on Netflix and YouTube, reports 
<http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1898889-Verizon-Is-Throttling-Netflix?p=16879969#post16879969>Ars 
Technica. Some users were finding that they were limited to speeds of around 10 megabits per second when using 
Netflix'sFast.com <http://fast.com/> speed testing tool, despite other speed testing sites reporting the same 
connections as offering speeds multiple times faster. 

The phenomena was also noted on the HowardForums, with user GusHerb94 noting that YouTube was running at 1,250 
kilobytes per second according to its "stats for nerds" feature, which is approximately the same as 10 megabits 
per second. When the user connected to YouTube via a VPN, the speed "tripled" compared to not using the VPN. 

Another user responded noting their 1440p video stream was "throttled at a constant 9.59Mbps," adding that the 
speed was so low "it wasn't even able to keep up and buffered a few times." 

Verizon advised in a statement "We've been doing network testing over the past few days to optimize the 
performance of video applications on our network. The testing should be completed shortly. The customer video 
experience was not affected." 

It could be said that Verizon's testing goes against general net neutrality principles, which typically require 
Internet providers to treat all traffic equally, regardless of source and content, though Title II does permit 
some exceptions to allow Verizon to manage its network traffic. Capping the speed of one or more specific 
services could be seen as giving an advantage to another that doesn't have the same restrictions...

[SNIP]

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/21/verizon-wireless-confirms-it-throttled-netflix-streams-as-part-of-traffic-optimization-trial
 
<http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/21/verizon-wireless-confirms-it-throttled-netflix-streams-as-part-of-traffic-optimization-trial>

-- 
Geoff.Goodfellow () iconia com <mailto:Geoff.Goodfellow () iconia com>
living as The Truth is True
http://geoff.livejournal.com <http://geoff.livejournal.com/>   

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