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Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet


From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 06:09:08 +0900




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From: Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com>
Date: June 17, 2018 at 5:57:58 AM GMT+9
To: Multiple recipients of Dewayne-Net <dewayne-net () warpspeed com>
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
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Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
How do we fix life online without limiting free speech?
By Andrew Marantz
Mar 19 2018
<https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/19/reddit-and-the-struggle-to-detoxify-the-internet>

Which Web sites get the most traffic? According to the ranking service Alexa, the top three sites in the United 
States, as of this writing, are Google, YouTube, and Facebook. (Porn, somewhat hearteningly, doesn’t crack the top 
ten.) The rankings don’t reflect everything—the dark Web, the nouveau-riche recluses harvesting bitcoin—but, for the 
most part, people online go where you’d expect them to go. The only truly surprising entry, in fourth place, is 
Reddit, whose astronomical popularity seems at odds with the fact that many Americans have only vaguely heard of the 
site and have no real understanding of what it is. A link aggregator? A microblogging platform? A social network?

To its devotees, Reddit feels proudly untamed, one of the last Internet giants to resist homogeneity. Most Reddit 
pages have a throwback aesthetic, with a few crudely designed graphics and a tangle of text: an original post, 
comments on the post, responses to the comments, responses to the responses. That’s pretty much it. Reddit is made up 
of more than a million individual communities, or subreddits, some of which have three subscribers, some twenty 
million. Every subreddit is devoted to a specific kind of content, ranging from vital to trivial: r/News, r/Politics, 
r/Trees (for marijuana enthusiasts), r/MarijuanaEnthusiasts (for tree enthusiasts), r/MildlyInteresting (“for photos 
that are, you know, mildly interesting”). Some people end up on Reddit by accident, find it baffling, and never visit 
again. But people who do use it—redditors, as they’re called—often use it all day long, to the near-exclusion of 
anything else. “For a while, we called ourselves the front page of the Internet,” Steve Huffman, Reddit’s C.E.O., 
said recently. “These days, I tend to say that we’re a place for open and honest conversations—‘open and honest’ 
meaning authentic, meaning messy, meaning the best and worst and realest and weirdest parts of humanity.”

On November 23, 2016, shortly after President Trump’s election, Huffman was at his desk, in San Francisco, perusing 
the site. It was the day before Thanksgiving. Reddit’s administrators had just deleted a subreddit called 
r/Pizzagate, a forum for people who believed that high-ranking staffers of Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign, 
and possibly Clinton herself, were trafficking child sex slaves. The evidence, as extensive as it was unpersuasive, 
included satanic rituals, a map printed on a handkerchief, and an elaborate code involving the words “cheese” and 
“pizza.” In only fifteen days of existence, the Pizzagate subreddit had attracted twenty thousand subscribers. Now, 
in its place, was a scrubbed white page with the message “This community has been banned.”

The reason for the ban, according to Reddit’s administrators, was not the beliefs of people on the subreddit, but the 
way they’d behaved—specifically, their insistence on publishing their enemies’ private phone numbers and addresses, a 
clear violation of Reddit’s rules. The conspiracy theorists, in turn, claimed that they’d been banned because Reddit 
administrators were part of the conspiracy. (Less than two weeks after Pizzagate was banned, a man fired a 
semiautomatic rifle inside a D.C. pizzeria called Comet Ping Pong, in an attempt to “self-investigate” claims that 
the restaurant’s basement was a dungeon full of kidnapped children. Comet Ping Pong does not have a basement.)

Some of the conspiracy theorists left Reddit and reunited on Voat, a site made by and for the users that Reddit 
sloughs off. (Many social networks have such Bizarro networks, which brand themselves as strongholds of free speech 
and in practice are often used for hate speech. People banned from Twitter end up on Gab; people banned from Patreon 
end up on Hatreon.) Other Pizzagaters stayed and regrouped on r/The_Donald, a popular pro-Trump subreddit. Throughout 
the Presidential campaign, The_Donald was a hive of Trump boosterism. By this time, it had become a hermetic 
subculture, full of inside jokes and ugly rhetoric. The community’s most frequent commenters, like the man they’d 
helped propel to the Presidency, were experts at testing boundaries. Within minutes, they started to express their 
outrage that Pizzagate had been deleted.

Redditors are pseudonymous, and their pseudonyms are sometimes prefaced by “u,” for “username.” Huffman’s is Spez. As 
he scanned The_Donald, he noticed that hundreds of the most popular comments were about him:

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