Re Guess Who's Not Coming To America? International Students

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chuck McManis <chuck.mcmanis () gmail com>
> Date: March 2, 2018 at 1:24:33 PM EST
> To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Cc: jcp () pistritto org
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re Guess Who's Not Coming To America? International Students
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I'm sorry but I can't let this go by without comment.
>
> Josesph, for your information most Indians report as Hindus, it was nearly 80% of the country. Islam (the religion of 
> Muslims) didn't break 1%. 
> Here is a really easy to find link from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India 
>
> That does not prevent racists from attempting to characterize them as Muslim, or to attack them in bars 
> (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/world/asia/kansas-attack-possible-hate-crime-srinivas-kuchibhotla.html) 
>
> There is a tremendous amount of anti-semtic, anti-muslim, and pretty much anti-everything-but-white-christian vitriol 
> sloshing around the Internet. If you want the US to be a great nation in the eyes of the world it is your duty as a 
> citizen of this nation to be thoughtful in your consideration and to not pass on "facts" being passed around by hate 
> groups.
>
> Thanks,
> --Chuck
>
>
> > On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Joseph Pistritto <jcp () pistritto org>
> > Date: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [IP] Guess Who's Not Coming To America? International Students
> > To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, <dewayne () warpspeed com>
> > CC: ip <ip () listbox com>
> >
> >
> > There's a simpler explanation if the big dip is coming from India.
> >
> > A lot of Indians are actually Moslem.  (I dont know what the ratio at the college level is, or was before coming to 
> > the US, but its a signficant percentage of the overall population).    If Moslems are less likely to come to the US 
> > in the last year (I've heard this is true), then it would affect Indian numbers significantly.
> >
> > Maybe its politically incorrect to point out that religion might be a factor, but it was the first thing that 
> > occurred to me. (used to be married to an Indian citizen for 19 years...)
> >   -jcp-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > > From: Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com>
> > > > Date: March 2, 2018 at 7:48:19 AM EST
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of Dewayne-Net <dewayne-net () warpspeed com>
> > > > Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Guess Who's Not Coming To America? International Students
> > > > Reply-To: dewayne-net () warpspeed com
> > > >
> > > > [Note:  This item comes from friend Mike Cheponis.  DLH]
> > > >
> > > > Guess Who's Not Coming To America? International Students
> > > > By Stuart Anderson
> > > > Mar 2 2018
> > > > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/03/02/guess-whos-not-coming-to-america-international-students/>
> > > >
> > > > International students are America’s “golden goose.” They provide billions of dollars to the U.S. economy every 
> > > > year, subsidize the education of U.S. students and are a key source of talent that  help make American tech 
> > > > companies the envy of the world. So why is the Trump administration trying to drive away international students? 
> > > > More important, is the administration succeeding? New data suggest the answer may be “yes.”
> > > >
> > > > A recent National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP) study found, “The number of international students 
> > > > enrolled at U.S. universities declined by approximately 4% between 2016 and 2017, according to an analysis of U.S. 
> > > > Department of Homeland Security data.” The study notes, “The number of international students enrolled at the 
> > > > graduate level in science and engineering fell by 14,730, or 6%, between 2016 and 2017, which represented about 
> > > > half of the overall drop in international students.”
> > > >
> > > > In what could be a significant development, much of the overall decline in international student enrollment is due 
> > > > to fewer individuals from India studying computer science and engineering at the graduate level in 2017. “The 
> > > > number of international students from India enrolled in graduate level programs in computer science and 
> > > > engineering declined by 21%, or 18,590 fewer graduate students, from 2016 to 2017,” the NFAP analysis found.
> > > >
> > > > The data on international students were part of a recent report by the National Science Board, which serves as the 
> > > > board of directors of the National Science Foundation. The source is the U.S. government’s Student and Exchange 
> > > > Visitor Information System (SEVIS) database.
> > > >
> > > > Indian graduate students in computer science and engineering at U.S. universities are a key source of talent for 
> > > > U.S. companies. The decline in their numbers may relate to concerns about working after graduation. Those concerns 
> > > > may be tied to Trump administration policies to make it harder to obtain H-1B visas, administration proposals to 
> > > > eliminate work authorization for the spouses of H-1B visa holders, and the long waits for Indians to obtain 
> > > > employment-based green cards due to the per-country limit and low annual quotas.
> > > >
> > > > Another more direct worry is the Trump administration has published its intention to restrict the ability of 
> > > > international students to work after graduation on Optional Practical Training (OPT), which allows for 12 months 
> > > > of work for students. OPT in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields allows for an additional 24 
> > > > months of work. Educators say OPT makes a U.S. education more practical and “real world.” U.S. employers say the 
> > > > time on OPT improves the chances they can obtain H-1B status for an international student.
> > > >
> > > > Recall that an H-1B visa is typically the only practical way for an international student to work in the United 
> > > > States long-term. However, the annual H-1B quota has been reached for 15 straight years. Companies note they often 
> > > > need two or three attempts before gaining an H-1B for an international student, which means the end of Optional 
> > > > Practical Training, or its curtailment, could make it impossible for many international students ever to work in 
> > > > the United States – and that may be the goal of key Trump administration officials.
> > > >
> > > > A bill introduced in December 2015 by then-Senator Jeff Sessions and Sen. Ted Cruz would have, in effect, 
> > > > prohibited international students from working in the United States after graduation. The bill eliminated Optional 
> > > > Practical Training and required anyone without a Ph.D. to work outside the U.S. for 10 years before obtaining an 
> > > > H-1B visa. The bill imposed such extreme conditions that even those with Ph.D.’s would have been unlikely to get a 
> > > > visa.
> > > >
> > > > Trump immigration advisor Stephen Miller, who press reports indicate controls most of the administration’s 
> > > > immigration agenda, is a former Sessions staffer. Individuals who worked for organizations or Senators with animus 
> > > > toward international students and employment-based immigrants also fill many other key executive branch 
> > > > immigration policy positions.
> > > >
> > > > As noted in previous columns, “merit-based immigration” in the Trump administration means fewer immigrants, not 
> > > > making it easier for any actual high-skilled foreign nationals to immigrate to or stay in America.
> > > >
> > > > Research has shown a positive connection between international students and U.S. student enrollment. “At the 
> > > > graduate level, international students do not crowd-out, but actually increase domestic enrollment,” according to 
> > > > a study by economist Kevin Shih. “Foreign student tuition revenue is used to subsidize the cost of enrolling 
> > > > additional domestic students.”
> > > >
> > > > We can see this in real-time, as a lower number of international students at some universities have already 
> > > > resulted in budget cuts and fewer course offerings for U.S. students. “Just as many universities believed that the 
> > > > financial wreckage left by the 2008 recession was behind them, campuses across the country have been forced to 
> > > > make new rounds of cuts, this time brought on, in large part, by a loss of international students,” reported the 
> > > > New York Times in January. Wright State in Ohio, for example, eliminated programs for Italian, Russian and 
> > > > Japanese after international student enrollment declined.
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
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