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Customers Didn't Know


From: "Simon Chan" <chan () mibx com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:59:26 +0000


On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, mike wrote:

Shouldn't we here see how we get our act together, e.g. peering (why in 
this community are there people not peering, putting up 'rules' etc, when 
peering would just make everyone happy since the routing landscape is way 
simpler when there are lots of direct links), and of course, the same 
always: instead of creating unnecessary friction to put into the address 
allocation mechanism a measure to satisfy building up ISP/NSP businesses. 
I agree that there might some people need more restrictive routing, but 
restrictions must always be implemented in a way not to create injustice 
or even only extra problems.

Well, the prefix-filtering policies of the unnamed ISP you mention above 
is definitely a problem.  However, I don't see it as a problem for me, 
because most ISP's are sensible enough to route that kind of traffic.

I look at it as a problem for customers who use that unnamed ISP.  Those 
customers should contact their providers and pressure them to get 
alternative links (or, in the case they are a direct customer of this unnamed 
ISP, change to another provider or obtain another link and become 
multi-homed).

I think that right now, we shouldn't be too concerned with "CIDRize or 
DIE!".  At this point, we should be helping other entities out--you're 
not FORCING them to renumber by making their networks non-routable 
within one organization--you're screwing your customers out of optimal 
connectivity to any particular site.

The Internet has gotten too much away from the original purpose, to share 
information.  It has gone to a vast commercial marketing symbol, where 
most companies really don't care about other entities--"Why should we 
help this group?  They're customers of ISP X!"

Now, if there's a sincere need to filter, say, because you still use 
AGS+'s with CSC/3's and 16 MB of RAM and your poor 1988-age equipment 
can't handle it, then fine...

/cah


I agree.  Internet should belong to everyone.   However, I felt pity 
to those still using that ISP X as their Internet access provider.  
At the last Comnet Conference at Washington DC (1/30-2/1), I happened 
to run into a few exhibitors at the floor who were customers to this 
ISP X.  To my surprise, none of them were aware of the fact that they
were restricted to reach out potential customers who insist on using their own 
long prefix IP address.  They all expressed serious concern of such 
limitation and felt angery at the arbitrary restriction by their 
service supplier.  I think ISP X is going to have some explanation to 
do.  

ISP X definitely cannot claim itself offering universal 
connectivity in the Internet world.  Its customers cannot reach out 
and touch anyone they wish.  There is potential legal liability due 
to loss of business opportunity if the customer can establish 
misrepresentation by ISP X, or perhaps show gross disregard of 
negligence as compared to the industrial standard.   Afterall, ISP X 
is the only one departing from the industrial norm.

I get the feeling that all this matter can be resolved simply by 
someone informing the customers of  ISP X's unilateral practice 
decision which resulted in their accessibility limitation.  Who 
knows, may be all ISP's other than ISP X will benefit from the 
windfall of the exodus customers who felt being cheated for the 
service they've contracted.  Better yet, I think ISP X is creating 
seed for a class action suit.

SC


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