Re: Wake Up! (was: spamspamspam)

[Jared Mauch <jared () wolverine hq cic net>]

        I don't advocate or tolorate this either.

        It was meant as a joke.

        We now return you to the non-flaming, nanog list... :-)

        - Jared

David Stoddard graced my mailbox with this long sought knowledge:
> Jared Mauch writes:
> >     gcc sources aren't as bloated as emacs sources.
> >
> >     What you need to do is find a way to send the mimed sources to
> > someones text pager.  Either that, or uuencoded to their pager.  Then
> > build a compiler on the pager and put emacs on it.
> >
> >     - Jared
>
>       So, as a "responsible" ISP, you advocate denial of service attacks?
>       You are either incredibly naive or intensely stupid to advocate
>       that position.  Is that how you want people to deal with you when
>       your customers violate your AUP?  I really want to hear your
>       justification for mail bombing ... maybe you have one for SYN attacks
>       too?
>
>       Frankly, there is NO valid reason for ANYONE to retaliate in this
>       manner.  As an ISP, if you have a customer that spams someone, you
>       get flooded with hate mail -- this mail continues long after you
>       have wiped the abuser out of your system.  But in the event someone
>       decides to mail the source to Linux 1000 times to your server,
>       copying abuse, root, postmaster, and support, they kill off your
>       entire site, denying thousands of innocent users Internet access.
>       The number of hours I have wasted over the past four years chasing
>       down hackers and mail bombers has been a real pain.  I have ZERO
>       tolerance for this behavior.
>
>       If someone mail bombs my site, I will do everything in my power to
>       track them down and have them put in jail.  Mail bombers are criminals.
>       If you are mail bombed and have the mail logs, here is a good place
>       to start in your efforts to prosecute the bastards: The FBI Computer
>       Crime Squad in Washington, DC -- 202-324-9164 -- ask for Rich Ress.
>       If the mail bombing is continuous, you can get a court order to
>       have the FBI seize their equipment in a few hours.  You may want to
>       to to the federal prosecutor in your jurisdiction too.
>
>       If you provide access to military bases, you are in an even better
>       position to nail these folks.  And be sure to file civil suit against
>       them too.  If they respond to the suit, you can get them to spend
>       thousands of dollars in their civil defense (not to mention their
>       criminal defense).  If they don't respond, you can file liens on 
>       everything they own.  I also find it useful to dispatch a press
>       release in the home town of the hackers, identifying them and the
>       details of the crime and its investigation.  Call the TV stations
>       in their area too -- the local news loves to report on high-tech
>       crime.
>
>       In the event the hackers are international, you can filter their
>       IP addresses and notify their upstream providers that the filters
>       will remain in effect until they can provide assuarance that the
>       threat has been eliminated.
>
>       As a community, we need to slam hackers as hard as we possibly
>       can.  As individual companies, we have very little to fight them
>       outside of the means listed above.  But collectively, we could
>       black list rogue sites using IP filtering.  I think that hackers
>       would consider things twice if they knew they were about to lose
>       connectivity to half the world because of their actions.  I am
>       interested in what the other folks think about this too.  The
>       time for complacency on this issue is over.
>
>       Dave Stoddard
>       US Net Incorporated
>       301-572-5926
>       dgs () us net

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