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Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!!
From: Peter Giza <giza () adsmart net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:11:51 -0400
Gene Shklar wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions. We're considering doing a follow-up and perhaps making this a regular feature every 2 or 4 months thereafter. We've received a few suggestions for methodology changes/enhancements, and also several emails so far denouncing our methodology but not explaining why (which is typical of people in many areas -- politics, the environment, economics, whatever -- who disagree emotionally but not intellectually with the conclusions of a study).
My disagreement isn't based on emotion. If you had followed the thread you would have picked up on the point that under _most_ circumstances, the ISP/NSP/IXP's web servers are typically _not_ on the fastest part of their network. They leave this space for revenue generating customers.
The current methodology generally shows how a web site connected to a particular backbone appears to the general internet population of users. The results are intended to be a guide (but not the only one) for helping web sites select or evaluate a collocation, hosting, or access provider.
Your going to need cooperation from these sites to put a resource in their colo space not use their web server. A better way to tackle this would be to solicit the cooperation of one or two of their actual customers who provide a service from that backbone.
Your methodology suggestion would be useful to include because its results would also help end-users select their dial-up ISPs based on the backbone that those ISPs are connected to.
I highly doubt this will really help anyone pick an ISP correctly. It doesn't show the most annoying side of the equation; getting connected. What is the ISP user to modem ratio? What is their customer to bandwidth ration? etc. I doubt the average joe-user will even think or ask this. I don't have an issue with somebody trying to provide QoS info about ISP/NSP etc, but you can't do it just by downloading 56k of data. There is a lot more to it. How do each segments behave with differing packet sizes, etc. Fragmentation will take its toll. I could go on but I should do some real work.
Gene Shklar -------------------------------------------------------- Gene Shklar GeneShklar () keynote com Keynote Systems, Inc. voice (415) 524-3011 Two West Fifth Avenue fax (415) 524-3099 San Mateo, CA 94402 main # (415) 524-3000 http://www.keynote.com "A great Internet application experience is all a matter of customer perspective." ---------- From: Peter Cole[SMTP:Peter.Cole () telescan com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 10:57 AM To: nanog () merit edu Cc: marketing () keynote com Subject: RE: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! I would like to see the test run again with the following change.From each provider test the response time of the other 28 sites and notthe providers own web server. Then average the response times for these other 28 web servers and report that average response time from that provider. The providers with good connectivity to the rest of the net should have lower average response time. P.S. One might also be interested in the top one hundred web sites average response time. Peter Cole of Telescan, Inc. (281)588-9155 Better computing through lack of sleep.---------- From: Golan Ben-Oni[SMTP:bnite () tremere ios com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 1997 3:53 PM To: nanog () merit edu Subject: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index For shits and grins: http://www.keynote.com/measures/backbones/backbones.html -Golan
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- RE: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Peter Cole (Jun 27)
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- RE: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Gene Shklar (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Peter Giza (Jun 27)
- RE: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Michael Dillon (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! lhoward (Jun 28)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Jack Rickard (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Craig A. Huegen (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Ben Black (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! John Leong (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Craig A. Huegen (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! J.D. Falk (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Jack Rickard (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Catherine Anne Foulston (Jun 27)
- Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Craig A. Huegen (Jun 27)