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Re: Reporting Little Blue Men
From: Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:41:17 -0500
At 3:54 PM -0500 1/21/98, Dennis Simpson wrote:
From: Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com> But when you take the step from advocacy to actions you are violating the law in almost every case. You can advocate anything, but you can't go tearing down buildings, or in this case, intercepting communications.Filtering packets is not interception, it is disregard. If I ignore your packets and do not pass them to the next machine in the link, I am not intercepting your communications, I am ignoring them. Unless you are paying me to do so, I have no obligation to carry your packets.
If I am paying you to carry packets, you have an obligation to carry them. Blocking some of them is illegal. (ala AGIS). Every packet that goes through your network is paid for by one of your customers, one of their customers, and so on.
If my server checks message headers to determine validity before transferring to a spool file, I am not intercepting, I am determining message routing. As above, if you aren't paying me, I have no obligation to deliver something you handed me for delivery. Or are you suggesting mail servers should deliver mail without determining who it is for?
Nope. Thats service observing. Illegal.
If I review the content of your message, and then make decisions about who gets to read it (as opposed to discarding it), then I am intercepting, and reprehensible.
And crimminal.
I cannot block mail espousing causes I disagree with, but I have no obligation to deliver them either. Find yourself another path to my client; I won't do anything to permit or prevent it. I am not blocking you. I am also not assisting you. That is neither illegal nor immoral.
You are obligated to carry the packets you are paid to carry. You may not look at their contents other than for incidental reasons, such as routing and delivery. (and correct routing and delivery.) But don't take my word for it. Look at Cheswick and Bellovin on page 205. They say the same thing. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean () av8 com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Current thread:
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men, (continued)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Henry Linneweh (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Steve Sobol (Jan 23)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Craig A. Huegen (Jan 20)
- RE: Reporting Little Blue Men Dave Van Allen (Jan 20)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Eric Wieling (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Dennis Simpson (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Michael Dillon (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Phil Howard (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Dean Anderson (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Taner Halicioglu (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Phil Howard (Jan 21)
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- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Dean Anderson (Jan 21)
- Re: ridiculous misreadings of laws John R. Levine (Jan 22)
- Re: ridiculous misreadings of laws Dean Anderson (Jan 22)
- Re: ridiculous misreadings of laws Howard Goldstein (Jan 22)
- Re: ridiculous misreadings of laws Jeremy Porter (Jan 22)
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- Re: ridiculous misreadings of laws Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 22)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Steve Sobol (Jan 23)