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RE: Why does Sprint have address filters again?
From: Jamie Scheinblum <jamie () fast net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:39:30 -0400
The last CIDR report I have in my in-box states there are 3606 AS numbers in the routing table. So, my first question is at what point does ARIN reclaim AS numbers? (comparison: 2680 last September and 3075 at the beginning of the year) That's a lot of money Arin rakes in on un-used AS numbers. I understand that ARIN probably doesn't want to get in the middle of routing policies, but by limiting when you can receive an AS, I don't understand why they couldn't limit when you lose it. Second Q: How many AS numbers are available in total? Best regards, Jamie Scheinblum - FASTNET(tm) / You Tools Corporation jamie () fast net (888)321-FAST(3278) http://www.fast.net FASTNET - Business and Personal Internet Solutions The views stated above are mine and do not reflect those of my employer. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Denninger [mailto:karl () mcs net] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 2:35 PM To: Patrick W. Gilmore Cc: nanog () merit edu Subject: Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? On Sun, May 31, 1998 at 12:30:46AM -0700, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
At 01:27 AM 5/30/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:This does make sense - a lot of sense.Karl Denninger (karl () MCS Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and WisconsinOn Sat, May 30, 1998 at 12:26:31AM -0400, Jamie Scheinblum wrote:Suggestion: The initial ASN should be bundled with a /19 to create a "multi-home" package. Unbundled ASNs whould be unreasonably high to cover the administration of the initial ASNs of the world, and the cost
associated
with a /19.No, it does not make a lot of sense. In fact, IMHO, this is a very,
*very*
bad idea. Remember what we are trying to conserve here - not just ASNs, but IP Space too. Making unbundled ASNs "unreasonably high" would kill all the people who are being good little businesses and conserving IP space.
Uh, hold on a second.... I didn't say to make the first ASN "unreasonably" expensive (and I do believe $500 is unreasonable). However, with a REASONABLE first ASN fee (ie: $50 or thereabouts) bundling THAT with a /19 when you get your first PI allocation is even more reasonable. After all, the justification for the IP space encompasses that for the ASN, so the work has already been done, and the additional effort at that point should be literally a few keystrokes. My proposals to fix the issue with regards to getting a /19 if you're multihomed are also out there; has NANOG seen them? -- -- Karl Denninger (karl () MCS Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost
Current thread:
- RE: Why does Sprint have address filters again?, (continued)
- RE: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Jamie Scheinblum (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Patrick W. Gilmore (May 31)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 31)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Roeland M.J. Meyer (May 31)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 31)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 29)
- RE: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Jamie Scheinblum (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 30)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? madlion (May 31)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Kim Hubbard (May 30)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 31)