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Re: WebTV.Net: Censorship Central?
From: Wayne <wayne () domain net>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:09:06 -0800
Hi Bob, I don't think that anyone's listening to your agenda-based drivel.First., it should be made clear that this is not a first amendmant issue. This is not censorship. There is no mandate that anyone carry anyone's traffic into their network, especially traffic that is *stealing resources* from the receiving network.
Also, most of us out there have great respect for the judgement and restraint of the RBL team, and in general we see the RBL as a Good Thing. And the ones of us that do actually use it *really* think it's a Good Thing.
Maybe this is a thread you can best take to a forum like com-priv for followups?
At 2:19 PM -0500 11/23/98, Bob Allisat wrote:
<http://fcn.net/no> Microsoft's Web TV Network, with hundreds of thousands of subscribers, uses the real-time black hole list censorship software. Very disturbing since it niether tells it's clients their mail and WWW is being censored nor offers them the choice as to whether or not to allow this censorship. Outside their lame anti-spam statement there is no indication of any censorship anywhere else <http://www.webtv.net/antispam/>. Perhaps the people using WebTV would appreciate knowing the fact that Web TV censors their access. Or, even better, maybe Web TV could offer them the choice as to whether their black list is off or on (default to off). I'd be royally pissed off if I used WebTV and found out every- thing I did was behind some one fellow's idea of right and wrong. Shame on Web TV Networks! More info at: <http://fcn.net/no> Paul Vixie writes: <http://maps.vix.com/rbl/webtv.html>If you received an error while trying to send mail to WebTV, please click here.* (next page)Having problems sending to WebTV? Although WebTVÊ(webtv.net) uses the RBL, they also have their own list of IP addresses they reject mail from. Just because they reject mail from a site does not mean that site is on the MAPSÊRBL. You can check to see whether your IPÊaddress is on the RBL by checking <URL:http://maps.vix.com/cgi-bin/lookup> ; enter your IPÊaddress in the form. If you do not know what your IPÊaddress is, please contact your system administrator or ISP. Complaining to us about WebTV's actions is, unfortunately, largely useless, as we have no control over how they (or anyone else) runs their systems. Please contact WebTVÊfor information on why your address block is on their list, and how to get it removed.Bob Allisat Free Community Network _ bob () fcn net . http://fcn.net http://fcn.net/allisat _ http://fcn.net/draft
Current thread:
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited, (continued)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Jared Mauch (Nov 17)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Rich Sena (Nov 21)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Mike Reno (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Rodney Joffe (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited John M. Brown (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Rodney Joffe (Nov 16)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Mike Reno (Nov 17)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dean Anderson (Nov 17)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dorn Hetzel (Nov 19)
- Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- WebTV.Net: Censorship Central? Bob Allisat (Nov 23)
- Re: WebTV.Net: Censorship Central? Wayne (Nov 23)
- RE: WebTV.Net: Censorship Central? Rubens Kuhl Jr. (Nov 23)
- Re: WebTV.Net: Censorship Central? Steven J. Sobol (Nov 24)
- Re: WebTV.Net: Censorship Central? Jeff Aitken (Nov 23)
- WebTV.Net: Censorship Central? Bob Allisat (Nov 23)