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RE: ARIN whois
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:19:59 -0800
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of J.D. Falk
On 11/24/99, Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com> wrote:We respond "Yes, we know. We operate them on purpose forbusiness reasons".At times, I've explained these business reasons in detail.The technicalconclusion is then that we have to operate relays.That's YOUR conclusion, Dean. Others have pointed out methods you could use that don't require the relays to be open. You have chosen to ignore them.
I actually still have a mail-hub with open relay. It is strictly for customer use. However, our customers are from all over the place and therefore I can not restrict access by domain or IP. As has been pointed out before, SMTP AUTH is less than 3-weeks old, unless someone here is willing to go on-record as advocating running pre-beta code in a production environment (No? I didn't think so).
They say "Well, in that case we're going to startcommitting crimes againstyour service, posting to alt.2600, inciting attacks, andwasting your time,bandwidth, and computer resources until you agree to close them."I think everybody on NANOG would agree that what you describe here is an inappropriate response. That does not, however, mean that leaving your relays open is okay.
Actually, I had to close down a business service because of this issue and it disrupted a number of other MHSC business initiatives. The main reason is that many of the planned services could not be delivered without some sort of relaying capability. Yes, SMTP AUTH would have done the job (see above about advocating the use of unstable code) but that wasn't, and still may not be, available. MHSC has no desire to become an access provider, we are a services provider, as is dean. This means that, in order to provide services to someone, with an IP address not in our domain, we HAVE to allow for open relays, or not provide the services. Since when did NANOG become a business censor?
Current thread:
- Re: ARIN whois, (continued)
- Re: ARIN whois Steve Sobol (Nov 30)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Daniel Golding (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Greg A. Woods (Nov 23)
- RE: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- RE: ARIN whois Jeff Harper (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Jesse Schachter (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 24)
- Re: ARIN whois J.D. Falk (Nov 24)
- RE: ARIN whois Roeland M.J. Meyer (Nov 25)
- RE: ARIN whois Edward S. Marshall (Nov 25)
- Re: ARIN whois J.D. Falk (Nov 24)
- Re: ARIN whois Alex P. Rudnev (Nov 24)
- Re: ARIN whois Jesse Schachter (Nov 24)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 24)
- Re: ARIN whois Alex P. Rudnev (Nov 24)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 25)
- Re: ARIN whois Derek J. Balling (Nov 25)
- RE: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 27)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 27)
- Re: ARIN whois Bill Larson (Nov 27)