Re: [OT] Valley of the Boyz

["Henry R. Linneweh" <linneweh () concentric net>]

I work with many technically competent women who hold more than
1 degree and not only do the calculations they also work on the bench hands
on and create internet equipment.

Having 2 daughters I have a different perspective on these issues.

The politicization of this group and or networking would be a serious
error in judgment, and in 5 years of being part of this group I have
never seen any member of the male gender disrespect any woman
here.

Mob mentality is what ruins societies and those less technically
competent use groups to promote themselves, irregardless of
gender.

It has been my experience to witness this over the last 31 years in
computing, unfortunately.

blah my 2 cents.

Sheryl Chapin wrote:

> Ummm, I think you guys are missing the point.  The point is that guys live,
> breath and eat this stuff, but to most women, it's just a job.  I am the
> only female technical person in my (admittedly small) company.  One of the
> guys once described me as "being very good at my job, but it's just a job".
>  I have no problem with that discription, when I go to lunch, I'm not
> interested in talking "tapes, hard drives and wiring", I do that at work.
>
> And yes, I have very little in common with these guys.  Most of them go
> home where there are more computers than people, all networked together and
> play for hours (by play, I don't mean games, I mean they write programs and
> expirement with new technology).  They *love* this stuff.  I go home and
> don't even look at my computer unless I'm beeped.
>
> In a previous job, (again, the only woman) I was invited to stay and play
> networked doom with the guys one Friday night.  I played for an hour, ok,
> it was fun, I'm done now.  They played until 3am.
>
> Personally, I always thought it was just me, but maybe it is a gender
> thing.  Is that bad?  I really don't know.
>
> Sheryl Chapin
> CommTel Internet
>
> At 08:24 AM 8/7/00 -0500, Richard Irving wrote:
> > <rant>
> >
> > So, anybody want to take bets ?
> >
> >   I bet the young lady, in the interview,
> > within her first 2 years, makes a BEE-LINE
> > for management, and starts -insisting-
> > everyone wears a tie, so they look professional.
> >
> > Remember, IBM salesman -rammed- "dark tie,
> > and white shirt" down the industries throat..
> > You weren't -professional- unless you dressed,
> > in this fashion.
> >
> > Corporate America's management bought into this
> > load of malarkey, wholeheartedly. (I suspect their
> > ties were too tight..) So, soon
> > corporate America was looking down their nose at
> > anyone who couldn't play the management conformity game...
> >
> > After all, your not a -professional- with out a dark tie,
> > and light suit.
> >
> >  Meantime, back at IBM HQ, at the Watson Research center,
> > the top IBM techs , such as Benoit, were running around in
> > cut offs, and pony tails.
> >
> >  Seems, to IBM, this rule was only true for -salesmen-, and trivial
> > technicals, and IBM had a pioneer in their company who went
> > -way- out of his way to make sure R&D TECHNICALS were
> > -not- required to conform. According to his research,
> > good technicals rarely enjoy conforming.
> >
> > It is management, and sales, that admire conformity.
> >
> >  Nonetheless, a reality as sold by -salesman=, bought into
> > by -management-, and propogated by -recruiters-, became the norm
> > for technicals... it took us 20 years to throw that
> > perspective out the window... and some big companies
> > -still- by into that load of "stuff".
> >
> >  Meanwhile , IBM kept running that research center, -without-
> > such codes.... pointedly.
> >
> >  Yes, I feel almost -positive- this young lady
> > will seek management. I really do.
> >
> >  Shortly thereafter, she will attempt to correct these
> > errors in the industry, and set us all straight. She will
> > recruit people who cannot stand discussing "tape drives,
> > hardware, and wires", and management will back her wholeheartedly.
> >
> >  I just know it.
> >
> >  :\
> >
> > </rant>
> >
> > rdobbins () netmore net wrote:
> > > News flash, lady - IT -is- "tape drives and hardware and wires and
> > > machines".  So, if you have nothing in common with people who are
> interested
> > > in such things, go do something else.

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