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Re: "Cisco MPLS-based VPNs" & BGP Stability
From: Robert Raszuk <raszuk () cisco com>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:38:33 -0700
Hi Danny,
I'm referring more to the PE impact, or any other router that participates in unicast IPv4 peering. There's still a single BGP process, a finite amount of memory and CPU resources, etc.., and impacting any of these can adversely effect IPv4 route stability.
But that was my point if you have a few vpnvs hang on any given PE with a few thousand of routes I don't think even ipv4 peering PE will fell any impact. On the other hand when your number of vpnv4 routes grow on PE it is clear that with current hardware limitations (mostly memory, a bit of CPU) operator will need to decomposition ipv4 nodes from vpn PEs hence the PEs will have 0 impact to the ipv4 BGP stability.
I fully agree that if dedicated infrastructure is employed for this purpose then there will clearly be less impact. However, the whole pitch is that existing network elements can be used to offer the service, the same network elements that provide "Internet" connectivity today -- and lots of folks have drank the kool-aide -- all in hopes of generating more revenue from their existing IP infrastructure, not new dedicated or overlay ones.
As I said above you don't until you need to dedicate boxes for mpls-vpns. When you have so many customers that don't simply fit into PE (already loaded with 90K of ipv4 routes) you have two choices: A) Buy a more powerfull box, B) Decomposition Internet and VPN
Then every time someone brings up a scalability or convergence or security issue with BGP/MPLS VPNs a slew of Cisco folks tell them it's targeted at private networks and different infrastructures (hence the requirement for BGP, MPLS, etc.., I guess). Rob, I know how you & your cohorts feel, I was looking for operator feedback.
No it is not that I am feeling one way or the other. Getting feedback is extremely usefull - but all I care about it to get feedback regarding true issues not those which are practically not the problem.
-danny (who strives to only listen to the rest of this thread)
I will do the same letting other's comment. R.
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- RE: "Cisco MPLS-based VPNs" & BGP Stability Christian Kuhtz (Apr 17)
- Re: "Cisco MPLS-based VPNs" & BGP Stability Robert Raszuk (Apr 18)
- Re: "Cisco MPLS-based VPNs" & BGP Stability Franklin Lian (Apr 18)
- Re: "Cisco MPLS-based VPNs" & BGP Stability Robert Raszuk (Apr 18)