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RE: Dont Knock The Technology, was Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support theirBusiness, and whine about it.
From: "Daniel Golding" <dan () netrail net>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:07:56 -0400
The interesting thing, is that this has absolutely nothing to do with Technology, good or bad. It has to do with products. xDSL is normally considered a product for the home or small business. It is supported and priced that way. For most providers, that includes small, static IP blocks, assigned out of the providers own space, in a systematic fashion. The "T-1" product is usually something quite different, even if it is provided over an HDSL line. This product usually includes BGP support, greater flexibility for using your own address space, and the chance to talk to engineers with greater clue. There is usually a big price difference. Why? DSL is a mass market product, and folks want to package it in a certain way. T-1 is a business product, and you're paying for better service. It's as simple as that. Don't fall all over the technical details in this case, as this hinges on folks using a Home/SOHO product for mission critical business stuff. You might save some money in the short run, but it's a poor investment. - Daniel Golding
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of John Palmer (NANOG Acct) Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:00 PM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Dont Knock The Technology, was Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support theirBusiness, and whine about it. I have never had any line problems with my DSL connection. Never had to have anyone come out and repair it and its never been down due to a line isssue and we've had the connection since Jan 2000. All of the issues have to due with mess-ups by PSINet or Covad. PSINet had the wrong IP address information in their database and they sent that over to CAIS when they transferred the account. Thats what started it all. I have to say that I don't see where DSL is a flawed technology, just that some of the players in the game are not very good at providing support. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Hollis" <goemon () anime net> To: "Wojtek Zlobicki" <wojtekz () idirect com> Cc: <jmarr () twmaine com>; "'John Palmer (NANOG Acct)'" <nanog () adns net>; <nanog () nanog org> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support theirBusiness, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CAREOF YOUR CUSTOMERSOn Mon, 14 May 2001, Wojtek Zlobicki wrote:performance and other characteristics. The work that I have doneworkingfor a CLEC has shown me that a line that works well from the start islikelyto stay up for weeks/months.The DSL from work to home has been up 24/7 for about 4 yearsnow without asingle interruption. Quite different from our PTP T1's whicheach go downregularly. -Dan
Current thread:
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS, (continued)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Wojtek Zlobicki (May 14)
- RE: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Joe Marr (May 14)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS John Payne (May 14)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Adam McKenna (May 14)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND bmanning (May 14)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Shawn McMahon (May 14)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Wojtek Zlobicki (May 15)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Clayton Fiske (May 17)
- Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support their Business, and whine about it. RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Dan Hollis (May 14)
- Dont Knock The Technology, was Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support theirBusiness, and whine about it. John Palmer (NANOG Acct) (May 14)
- RE: Dont Knock The Technology, was Re: People who purchase unproven technologies to support theirBusiness, and whine about it. Daniel Golding (May 14)
- RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Joe Marr (May 13)
- RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Dan Hollis (May 13)
- RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Andy Dills (May 15)
- Re: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Mike Leber (May 13)
- Re: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS Steve Sobol (May 14)