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RE: On Internet and social responsibility
From: David Schwartz <davids () webmaster com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:54:37 -0700
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:40:17 -0700 (PDT), Dan Hollis wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, David Schwartz wrote:
How it's >applicable to foreign terrorist organization that usesAmerican company to >spread its ideas?
Because if American companies want to spread the speech of foreign terrorists, that's their right. The government of the United States should not be prosecuting them for the content of their speech.
But you *can* be prosecuted on content, e.g. death threats. -Dan
Yep. And the freedom to do what you want with what is yours does not include the right to club me over the head with *your* bat. Freedom of speech is pretty darn near absolute in the United States, with a small number of (usually) carefully circumscribed exceptions. But it's one principle among many, certainly. There is a difficult border between speech and action. If I tell you I'll give you a thousand dollars if you kill a particular person, that's speech. In fact, there are any number of criminal acts that can be committed purely by the content one expresses. Some engage in legal hairsplitting and argue that it's not really the content of your speech (the ideas you wish to express) that are being suppressed. For example, when I hire a hitman, it's not the speech that's the issue but the offer of contract. This argument is somewhat persuasive in the 'hire a hitman' case, but I don't find it so in the 'death threat' case. If I state, "I presently intent to kill Jack Smith if he doesn't mail me $500 in cash", what is there in that other than the content of the idea I wish to express? Freedom of speech is not some contextless absolute. It's a very important principle among other primary principles. DS
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- RE: On Internet and social responsibility, (continued)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility Greg Mirsky (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility measl (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility Vadim Antonov (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility Randy Bush (Sep 17)
- Re: On Internet and social responsibility bmanning (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility David Schwartz (Sep 17)
- Re: On Internet and social responsibility David Charlap (Sep 17)
- Re: On Internet and social responsibility David Schwartz (Sep 17)
- Re: On Internet and social responsibility Joel Baker (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility Dan Hollis (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility David Schwartz (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility measl (Sep 17)
- RE: On Internet and social responsibility Greg Mirsky (Sep 17)