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Re: RE: OT: Interesting email I received

From: John Neiberger <neiby () ureach com>
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:37:04 -0500

Hmm...I'm still able to reach that site as of 3:30 Mountain 
time.  Perhaps his service hasn't been discontinued after all.  
We can only hope, though.  Surely Qwest won't continue to let 
this bonehead use their network.

Perhaps this is actually a Qwest front company and they're 
trying to lure people into using their bulkmailing services.  
By doing this they can get a lot of the bulk mails to at least 
have the same set of source IP addresses making them easier to 
filter for the rest of us.  :-)  Sort of like a honey pot for 
idiots, because in this case they'd even be paying to use it.

John


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---- On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Joe Blanchard (jblanchard () wyse com) 
wrote:



I just had to call that number on his web page
and ask if it was some sort of joke, The guy 
there "Paul" didn't have any idea that his
services were disrupted, and he even seemed 
excited at the prospect of doing some Bulk/Spam 
Email for me. 

When I mentioned I couldn't get to his webpage
He seemed surprised. I ended the convo with 
"You should really read the TOS with your ISP" <click>

hahaha. I would love to hear the conversation between him
and Qwest Tech/Support. 

Cheers!
-Joe


----------
From:       Daniel Lark[SMTP:dlark () elmresources com]
Reply To:   dlark () elmresources com
Sent:       Friday, February 01, 2002 2:04 PM
To:         'Christopher A. Woodfield'; 'Dan Hollis'
Cc:         nanog () merit edu
Subject:    RE: OT: Interesting email I received


Guess Qwest already yanked 'em. Yay!!!

-dan

traceroute to 65.114.61.35 (65.114.61.35), 30 hops max, 38 

byte

packets

 1  host1.elmresources.com (208.253.213.1)  0.588 ms  0.558 

ms  0.474

ms

 2  958.Serial1-1.GW6.SCL1.ALTER.NET (157.130.213.173)  

10.282 ms 

9.652

ms  13.142 ms
 3  168.at-5-0-0.XR4.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.54)  9.691 

ms  10.168

ms

9.997 ms
 4  0.so-1-0-0.XL2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.97)  9.978 ms  

10.341 ms

9.870 ms
 5  0.so-6-0-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.142)  15.447 

ms  16.494

ms

15.253 ms
 6  0.so-3-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.2)  14.642 ms  

15.195 ms

14.934 ms
 7  184.ATM7-0.BR3.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.50.197)  15.544 

ms  14.990

ms

15.905 ms
 8  sjo-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.4.97)  28.136 ms  

27.808 ms

27.985 ms
 9  sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.118)  29.459 ms  

28.163 ms

27.818 ms
10  sjo-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.2)  28.376 ms  

27.821 ms

28.014 ms
11  iah-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.145)  68.262 ms  

68.128 ms

68.277 ms
12  iah-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.31.2)  68.851 ms  

69.238 ms

69.663 ms
13  atl-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.194)  101.938 ms  

103.496 ms

101.837 ms
14  atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182)  94.106 ms  

93.772 ms

93.874 ms
15  * * *
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] 

On Behalf

Of

Christopher A. Woodfield
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:56 PM
To: Dan Hollis
Cc: Daniel Lark; nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: OT: Interesting email I received


Given the latency on the last two hops, I'll bet this is a 

DSL line,

or

someone's 
taken it upon themselves to render whatever circuit they 

have

useless...


-C

On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:43:10PM -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:


On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Daniel Lark wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: National ISP [mailto:admin () national-isp org] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:13 PM
To: dlark () elmresources com
Subject: Bulk email ISP
National ISP Co. is a business class bulk email 

friendly ISP.

We are dedicated to supporting your company with your
email advertising program.
Have the "Peace of Mind",  knowing that you will not be
shut down by your present ISP.
our website address is  >>  WWW.NATIONAL-ISP.ORG


Tracing the route to NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35)
[...]
 15 atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182) [AS 209] 

132 msec

100

msec 144 msec

 16 208.47.124.58 [AS 209] 388 msec 852 msec 608 msec
 17 NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35) [AS 209] 524 msec 584 

msec 268

msec


Well, qwest *is* bulk-friendly...

-Dan
-- 
[-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]



-- 
---------------------------
Christopher A. Woodfield            rekoil () semihuman com

PGP Public Key:
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I just had 

to call =

that number on his web page</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and ask 

if it was =

some sort of joke, The guy </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">there =
"Paul" didn't have any idea that his</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">services 

were =

disrupted, and he even seemed </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">excited 

at the =

prospect of doing some Bulk/Spam </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Email for 

me. =

</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">When I 

mentioned I =

couldn't get to his webpage</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">He seemed 

=

surprised. I ended the convo with </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">"You 

should =

really read the TOS with your ISP" <click></FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">hahaha. I 

would love

=
to hear the conversation between him</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and Qwest 

=

Tech/Support. </FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers!

</FONT>

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-

Joe</FONT>

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">----------</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 

Serif">From:</FONT></B>   =

<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Daniel =
Lark[SMTP:dlark () elmresources com]</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Reply 

To:</FONT></B> =

      <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
Serif">dlark () elmresources com</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 

Serif">Sent:</FONT></B>   =

<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Friday, February 01, 

2002 2:04 =

PM</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">To:</FONT></B> =
    <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">'Christopher =
A. Woodfield'; 'Dan Hollis'</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Cc:</FONT></B> =
    <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
Serif">nanog () merit edu</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 

Serif">Subject:</FONT></B> =

       <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
Serif">RE: OT: Interesting email I received</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Guess Qwest already 

yanked 'em. =

Yay!!!</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-dan</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">traceroute to 65.114.61.35 =
(65.114.61.35), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 1  host1.elmresources.com =
(208.253.213.1)  0.588 ms  0.558 ms  0.474 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 2  =
958.Serial1-1.GW6.SCL1.ALTER.NET (157.130.213.173)  10.282 =
ms  9.652</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ms  13.142 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 3  =
168.at-5-0-0.XR4.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.54)  9.691 ms  =
10.168 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">9.997 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 4  =
0.so-1-0-0.XL2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.97)  9.978 ms  =
10.341 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">9.870 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 5  =
0.so-6-0-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.142)  15.447 ms  =
16.494 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15.253 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 6  =
0.so-3-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.2)  14.642 ms  =
15.195 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">14.934 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 7  =
184.ATM7-0.BR3.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.50.197)  15.544 ms  =
14.990 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15.905 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 8  =
sjo-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.4.97)  28.136 ms  27.808 =
ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">27.985 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 9  =
sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.118)  29.459 ms  =
28.163 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">27.818 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">10  sjo-core-

02.inet.qwest.net =

(205.171.22.2)  28.376 ms  27.821 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">28.014 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">11  iah-core-

01.inet.qwest.net =

(205.171.5.145)  68.262 ms  68.128 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">68.277 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">12  iah-core-

02.inet.qwest.net =

(205.171.31.2)  68.851 ms  69.238 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">69.663 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">13  atl-core-

02.inet.qwest.net =

(205.171.5.194)  101.938 ms  103.496 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">101.837 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">14  atl-edge-

14.inet.qwest.net =

(205.171.21.182)  94.106 ms  93.772 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">93.874 ms</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15  * * *</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----

</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From: owner-nanog () merit edu 

=

[</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A 

=

HREF=3D"mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu">mailto:owner-

nanog () merit edu</A></=

FONT></U><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">] On Behalf Of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Christopher A. 

Woodfield</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent: Friday, February 01, 

2002 2:56 =

PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To: Dan Hollis</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cc: Daniel Lark; =
nanog () merit edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Subject: Re: OT: 

Interesting email I =

received</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Given the latency on the 

last two =

hops, I'll bet this is a DSL line, or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">someone's </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">taken it upon themselves to 

render =

whatever circuit they have useless...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-C</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 

12:43:10PM =

-0800, Dan Hollis wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, 

Daniel Lark =

wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > -----Original =
Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > From: National ISP =
[</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A 

=

HREF=3D"mailto:admin () national-isp org">mailto:admin@national-

isp.org</A>=

</FONT></U><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Sent: Friday, February 

01, =

2002 3:13 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > To: =
dlark () elmresources com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Subject: Bulk email =
ISP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > National ISP Co. is a =
business class bulk email friendly ISP.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > We are dedicated to =
supporting your company with your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > email advertising =
program.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Have the "Peace of =
Mind",  knowing that you will not be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > shut down by your 

present =

ISP.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > our website address =
is  >>  WWW.NATIONAL-ISP.ORG</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Tracing the route to =
NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> [...]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  15 =
atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182) [AS 209] 132 msec
100</FONT>=

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">msec 144 msec</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  16 208.47.124.58 [AS 

209] =

388 msec 852 msec 608 msec</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  17 NATIONAL-ISP.ORG =
(65.114.61.35) [AS 209] 524 msec 584 msec 268</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">msec</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Well, qwest *is* =
bulk-friendly...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> -Dan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> [-] Omae no subete no 

kichi wa =

ore no mono da. [-]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">---------------------------

</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Christopher A. =
Woodfield        =
        rekoil () semihuman com</FONT>
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op=3Dget&search=3D0xB887618B=

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