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Re: Bin Laden Associate Warns of Cyberattack
From: <sgorman1 () gmu edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:21:33 GMT
CAIDA tells us that over 25% of the Internet must be removed before connectivity degrades. I'm quite a cynic, but I doubt the CIA could pull off that kind of damage, much less al Qaeda
Before we go yelling FUD about the media lets make sure we are not dissmeinating false information ourselves. The CAIDA analysis only looked at the 52,505 most connected IP addresses. Last time I checked there were a few more IP addresses than that on the Internet. Further, the 25% number was when the entire giant component disappeared not when connectivity "started" to degrade. The Internet is not "bombproof" and it is not "fragile", but somewhere in between. How far in which direction is up for debate, but lets at least try to make to debate intelligent and informed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sprunk" <ssprunk () cisco com> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Bin Laden Associate Warns of Cyberattack
Thus spake <Michael.Dillon () radianz com>When was the last time you took a sample and tested for thepresence offertilizer *BEFORE* you let the truck driver put that dieselinto yourgenerator tanks?Worst case, you'd detect this during your periodic generator test :)The best defence against all of these potential terroristattacks is to dowhat the military does, i.e. spread out. Never put more than afraction ofyour eggs in one basket. Use the network to connect diverse andwidespread> assets so that they can function as a unit even though they are physicallyseparated.Isn't that the reason that IP was designed the way it was? 9/11 showed us that, despite the relatively concentrated POPs in NYC, the Internet was still the only communications medium that survived the attack --and it was largely unaffected, even for users located in NYC itself! CAIDA tells us that over 25% of the Internet must be removed before connectivity degrades. I'm quite a cynic, but I doubt the CIA could pull off that kind of damage, much less al Qaeda.This philosophy works whether your assets are combat soldiers or network PoPs. And again, there is a role for government here.How abouttax reductions for companies who harden their networks byremoving singlepoints of failure that are vulnerable to terrorist attack?Oh yes, let's create a tax credit system which will essentially become an arbitrary means for government officials to reward friends in the privatesector in return for kickbacks. That'll definitely solve the problem (which has been shown not to exist). Look how well it's worked for healthcare and oil companies! S
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sprunk" <ssprunk () cisco com> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Bin Laden Associate Warns of Cyberattack
Thus spake <Michael.Dillon () radianz com>When was the last time you took a sample and tested for thepresence offertilizer *BEFORE* you let the truck driver put that dieselinto yourgenerator tanks?Worst case, you'd detect this during your periodic generator test :)The best defence against all of these potential terroristattacks is to dowhat the military does, i.e. spread out. Never put more than afraction ofyour eggs in one basket. Use the network to connect diverse andwidespread> assets so that they can function as a unit even though they are physicallyseparated.Isn't that the reason that IP was designed the way it was? 9/11 showed us that, despite the relatively concentrated POPs in NYC, the Internet was still the only communications medium that survived the attack --and it was largely unaffected, even for users located in NYC itself! CAIDA tells us that over 25% of the Internet must be removed before connectivity degrades. I'm quite a cynic, but I doubt the CIA could pull off that kind of damage, much less al Qaeda.This philosophy works whether your assets are combat soldiers or network PoPs. And again, there is a role for government here.How abouttax reductions for companies who harden their networks byremoving singlepoints of failure that are vulnerable to terrorist attack?Oh yes, let's create a tax credit system which will essentially become an arbitrary means for government officials to reward friends in the privatesector in return for kickbacks. That'll definitely solve the problem (which has been shown not to exist). Look how well it's worked for healthcare and oil companies! S
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