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Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses
From: Haesu <haesu () towardex com>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:08:05 -0400
Hey, You ARE correct. If everyone employs IRR and put explicit filters everywhere, it'd be the perfect world.. I don't consider this as lazy. I'd rather consider it as efficiency. Managing a filter list on one or a few route-servers rather than an AS with hundred edge routers is so much time saving and less humanerror-prone. IRR is great, and it should be used to maximum extent as possible. I've seen people filtering accordingly to IRR properly, and also seen people creating their own manageable applications that work beatifully on *nix boxes. Announcing filtering list over BGP inside an AS would be efficient management to an extent however... -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu () towardex com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:22:24PM -0600, Danny McPherson wrote:
Again... If folks were to implement explicit prefix filtering *everywhere* it wouldn't be necessary to filter only bogons and other miscellany explicitly. Something of this sort would only "lower the lazy bar" (is it possible?) for the clueless and/or lazy (those which Rob's list currently accommodates, which is better than nothing, BUT.. -- no offense Rob, I'm pretty sure our beliefs are aligned here :-). If folks want to filter, please, please, PLEASE, employ IRR infrastructure and filter customers *AND* peers explicitly. If your vendors have issues with this, push them to fix it. Then you don't have to worry about bogons, max-prefixes, route hijacking, de-aggregation, or... Then we can worry about IRR infrastructure hardening and accuracy and derive explicit data plane filters from the output, as well as other tangible benefits. Is it really that hard? -danny
Current thread:
- Re: bgp route-map, (continued)
- Re: bgp route-map ww (Aug 25)
- Re: bgp route-map Haesu (Aug 25)
- Re: bgp route-map Matt Levine (Aug 25)
- Re: bgp route-map Haesu (Aug 25)
- Re: bgp route-map E.B. Dreger (Aug 25)
- Re: bgp route-map Cliff Albert (Aug 25)
- Re: bgp route-map Haesu (Aug 25)
- Re: bgp route-map ww (Aug 25)
- Route Programming (was Re: bgp route-map) Leo Bicknell (Aug 25)
- Re: Route Programming (was Re: bgp route-map) Haesu (Aug 25)
- Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Danny McPherson (Aug 25)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Rob Thomas (Aug 25)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Haesu (Aug 25)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Joe Abley (Aug 25)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Jared Mauch (Aug 25)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Danny McPherson (Aug 25)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Ian Mason (Aug 25)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Leo Bicknell (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Jared Mauch (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Leo Bicknell (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Jared Mauch (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Leo Bicknell (Aug 26)
- Re: Route Programming (was Re: bgp route-map) Haesu (Aug 25)