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Re: Fun new policy at AOL
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve () telecomplete co uk>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:05:50 +0100 (BST)
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:07:30 -0400, Matthew Crocker wrote:It can be built without choke points. ISPs could form trust relationships with each other and bypass the central mail relay. AOL for example could require ISPs to meet certain criteria before they are allowed direct connections. ISPs would need to contact AOL, provide valid contact into and accept some sort of AUP (I shall not spam AOL...) and then be allowed to connect from their IPs. AOL could kick that mail server off later if they determine they are spamming.Now there is an idea! However an improved variant is to make the entire internet a 'trust relationship' using the (obvious) steps you propose. For several months I have been pondering possible details of implementing same; see <http://www.camblab.com/misc/univ_std.txt>. Comments welcome.
Surely it already is ? That is I only announce routes of my customers who I trust, my upstreams and peers trust me and what i announce to them, their upstreams/peers do and so on. And yet we still have hijacked netblocks and ddos's with uncaring sysadmins. Why should email be any different? And if you do implement such a system, the spammers will just adapt.. the recent viruses (sobig) are an example of how spammers can open up end user machines to facilitate sending of email, providing they can control such a host they can simply relay thro the providers' smtps.. they dont need open relays to send out their junk! I think we're still trying to treat the symptom tho not the cause. Most of these spammers are companies based within our countries, if we can make their kind of advertising illegal the spam will reduce (not sure if it will disappear, it could be like tax - companies may open offshore offices to facilitate this, but we need to keep working on the cause... ) Steve
Current thread:
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL, (continued)
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL Michel Py (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL David Lesher (Aug 28)
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL Jay Stewart (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Paul Vixie (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL David Lesher (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Roland Perry (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL John Palmer (Aug 28)
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL Michel Py (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Simon Waters (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Johnny Eriksson (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Susan Zeigler (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Dr. Jeffrey Race (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Stephen J. Wilcox (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Dr. Jeffrey Race (Aug 28)
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL Michel Py (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Ray Wong (Aug 28)
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL Gary E. Miller (Aug 28)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Jack Bates (Aug 29)
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL Michel Py (Aug 29)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Jack Bates (Aug 29)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL JC Dill (Aug 29)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Jack Bates (Aug 29)
- RE: Fun new policy at AOL Michel Py (Aug 29)
- Re: Fun new policy at AOL Miquel van Smoorenburg (Aug 29)