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Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG
From: Paul Vixie <vixie () vix com>
Date: 04 Dec 2004 17:35:27 +0000
... I think we all agree that RAS and Randy don't fall into the above category of having to be gotten ridden of. ...nope.Perhaps the fact that even some of the longest standing, most respected, "clueful" members of the list cannot agree on such things proves that a non-technical administrator with no operational experience has no chance of correctly concluding which people "fall into the above category"?
first of all, who somebody is or how longstanding or how clueful are all subjective measures at best, and actually quite irrelevant. meritocracy, which this and all similar street-level forums must be based on, depends on the quality of what you're saying today, not on the quality of what you've said in the past -- either by average or by peak. second of all, my "nope" doesn't nec'ily mean i agree or disagree about steenbergen and bush. only that i am directly aware of counterexamples (numerous in each case) to the assertion i was "noping". whether those counterexamples represent mature or respected opinions, or whether i am one, are not offered up as topics of further discussion. third and last, there are a number of principles up for grabs right now, and the folks who want to grab them aren't universal in their motives or goals. some folks think that rules are bad. others think that susan is bad or that merit is bad. some say that rules are ok if the community has visibility and ultimate control. the enemy of your enemy might or might not be a permanent friend when you're contemplating societal reform. -- Paul Vixie
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- RE: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Joe Johnson (Dec 02)
- RE: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG william(at)elan.net (Dec 02)
- RE: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Alex Rubenstein (Dec 02)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG JC Dill (Dec 02)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Paul Vixie (Dec 03)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Patrick W Gilmore (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Paul G (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Paul Vixie (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Alex Bligh (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Richard Irving (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Dan Hollis (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG nanog gonan (Dec 06)
- RE: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Alex Rubenstein (Dec 02)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Bill Nash (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Stephen Sprunk (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Bill Nash (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Daniel Golding (Dec 04)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Suresh Ramasubramanian (Dec 04)
- RE: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG william(at)elan.net (Dec 02)
- Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG Patrick W Gilmore (Dec 04)