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RE: Even you can be hacked
From: Randy Bush <randy () psg com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:37:27 -0700
yes, we're gonna hack desperately for a decade to make up for asecure (innocent of, as contrasted with devoid of, security) application protocols and implementations. it'll take half that time for the ivtf and the vendors to realize how deeply complexity is our enemy. and until then we'll hack everywhere in our desperation. but in the long run, i don't think we can win with an active middle. the problem is that the the difference betwen good traffic and bad traffic is intent. did the sender intend to send / reveal those data? did the recipient wish to receive them? and, i don't think we can stand in the middle and judge. and there's the rub. the cute example is, as i said to you privately, that i have customers who wish to receive what is sent by what i think of as malicious folk. the recipients are security folk and net-sociometricians. so who am i to judge? some people even eat at macdonalds. randy, who enjoyed his lunch of seared ahi and asparagus
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- Re: Even you can be hacked, (continued)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Owen DeLong (Jun 11)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Stephen Sprunk (Jun 11)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Owen DeLong (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked McBurnett, Jim (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked dunger-nanog1087 (Jun 10)
- RE: Even you can be hacked David Schwartz (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Adi Linden (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Randy Bush (Jun 11)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Alex Bligh (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Henry Linneweh (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Randy Bush (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Adi Linden (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked David Schwartz (Jun 11)
- Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Sean Donelan (Jun 11)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Randy Bush (Jun 11)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Jonathan Nichols (Jun 11)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Randy Bush (Jun 11)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Jonathan Nichols (Jun 11)
- OT Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Peter Galbavy (Jun 12)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Michael Painter (Jun 12)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Adi Linden (Jun 11)
- Re: Points on your Internet driver's license (was RE: Even you can be hacked) Henry Linneweh (Jun 11)