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RE: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage)


From: "Kuhtz, Christian" <christian.kuhtz () BELLSOUTH COM>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:27:43 -0600




      From where i'm sitting, I see a number of potentially 
dangerous trends that could result in some quite catastrophic 
failures of networks. No, i'm not predicting that the 
internet will end in 8^H7 days or anything like that.  I 
think the Level3 outage as seen from the outside is a clear 
case that single providers will continue to have their own 
network failures for time to come.  (I just hope daily it's 
not my employers network ;-) )

I don't agree with this 'the sky is falling' perspective and we've seen
these discussions over and over.  Survivability was and continues to be
a design goal of anything we do here.  Was from the first days and it's
true to this day.

When you implement a critical service, you need to do due diligence on
whether the path chosen meets the needs.

      Now the question of Emergency Services is being posed 
here but also in parallel by a number of other people at the 
FCC.  We've seen the E911 recommendation come out regarding 
VoIP calls.  How long until a simple power failure results in 
the inability to place calls?

There are specific requirements (read: gov't regulations) to implement
E911 with a number of redundancy options, typicalling calling for things
like triple path redundancy.  While I have worked on E911 infrastructure
in the past and I'm not aware of an exhaustive analysis for E911 over
IP, I don't see a reason off the top of my head why you can't do the
same thing on IP.

Sure, requires careful planning.  But what critical service doesn't?

What are you asking for?  More gov't regulation?

      While my friends that are local VFD do still have the 
traditional pager service with towers, etc... how long until 
the T1's that are used for dial-in or speaking to the towers 
are moved to some sort of IP based system?  The global 
economy seems to be going this direction with varying degrees 
of caution.

      I'm concerned, but not worried.. the network will survive..

What's your point then? :)

There's no panacea for poor implementation.  That's why knowledge and
experience is important in network design and it's importance is
directly linked to the definined critical need of the service
implemented.

Sorry, just angst for me here.  No visible life.

Thanks
Christian

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