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Re: best effort has economic problems
From: Simon Leinen <simon () limmat switch ch>
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:06:00 +0200
Mikael Abrahamsson writes:
Tier 1 operators do not do "best effort" really, at least not in their cores (and they have the SLAs to back it up). They buy hugely expensive top notch gear (Cisco 12000 (and now CRS:s) and Junipers) to get the big packet buffers, the fast reroutes and the full routing table lookups for each packet to avoid the pitfalls of flow forwarding the cheaper platforms have.
With the advent of 10GE WAN PHY (Force10, Foundry, Riverstone, Extreme Networks, Cisco 7600)
I don't think there's 10 GE WAN PHY for the Cisco 7600 yet. It has very cost-effective 10 GE *LAN* PHY (10.0 Gb/s, not SONET-compatible) interfaces though, which I find even more interesting (see below).
and full L3 lookup for each packet on their newer platforms, we'll see very much cheaper L2/L3 equipment being able to take advantage of existing OC192 infrastructure and that's where I think you'll start to see the real "best effort" networks operating at. At least the L2/L3 equipment will be much cheaper for the operators choosing this equipment, at approx 1/5 the initial investment of similar capacity 12400 and Juniper equipment.
We find that the L1 equipment is getting much cheaper too, especially in the 10 GE LAN PHY space. Think DWDM XENPAKs (or XFPs), which go 70-100 kms and which can be multiplexed and amplified with pretty affordable optical equipment. If you're not interested in carrier-class boxes, "traditional" WDM equipment can sometimes be replaced with active parts that mostly look like GBICs, and passive parts that look like funny cables...
Now, how will this translate in cost compared to DWDM equipment and OPEX part of the whole equation? [...]
-- Simon.
Current thread:
- Re: best effort has economic problems Gordon Cook (May 29)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Mikael Abrahamsson (May 29)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Eric Kuhnke (May 29)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Mikael Abrahamsson (May 29)
- Cable networks RE: best effort has economic problems, maybe OT Christopher J. Wolff (May 30)
- Re: Cable networks RE: best effort has economic problems, maybe OT Petri Helenius (May 30)
- Re: Cable networks RE: best effort has economic problems, maybe OT Stephen Sprunk (May 30)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Eric Kuhnke (May 29)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Mikael Abrahamsson (May 29)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Simon Leinen (May 31)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Mikael Abrahamsson (May 31)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Vicky Rode (May 29)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Mikael Abrahamsson (May 30)
- RE: best effort has economic problems Neil J. McRae (May 31)
- Re: best effort has economic problems Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (May 31)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: best effort has economic problems joe mcguckin (May 30)