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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch () muada com>
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:06:00 +0200
On 28-apr-2005, at 15:53, Adi Linden wrote:
Hey, if you've got customes willing to shell out for that, then morepower to you. However, I'm not (and won't be) one of those customers. I'm willing to take responsibility for protecting my systems and choosingwhat traffic I do and don't want. I don't want someone else doing it for me.
Hmmm... when you're driving on a public street there is certain safetyequipment you are required to have and use. You're paying more for your vehicle because of seatbelts, airbags and all the other things that aresupposed to lessen the impact of an accident. Even if you're an expert driver, you don't have the privilege of not paying for these features.
And how exactly does that translate to the online world?Despite the safety and environmental regulations and the fact that you have to have a driver's license and insurance (at least here in NL), there is no requirement that your locks are industrial strength. Or that your car can be locked at all, for that matter.
The fact that a compromised computer doesn't really hurt you all that much in the real world is exactly the reason why so many users don't care about security. When driving a car they at least have to be drunk to reach that level of carelessness.
Current thread:
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden, (continued)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 27)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Iljitsch van Beijnum (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Dan Hollis (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Adi Linden (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Petri Helenius (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Barry Shein (Apr 29)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden James Baldwin (Apr 27)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 27)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Adi Linden (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Iljitsch van Beijnum (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Adi Linden (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden John Dupuy (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden william(at)elan.net (Apr 28)
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- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden James Baldwin (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden James Baldwin (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Andy Johnson (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)