Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden

[Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>]

--On Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:36 +0000 bmanning () vacation karoshi com 
wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:38:00PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > I think it's absurd.  I expect my water delivery company not to add
> > polutants in transit.  I expect my water production company to provide
> > clean water.
>
>         er.. bad analogy warning... please take a sample of tap water to
>         an independent lab for analysis...  and find out just what the
>         water company is putting into your water.

Admittedly, there are contaminants in the water, but, I don't believe
most of them are added in transit.  (If I did, I'd be putting pressure
on to get that fixed).  If you're talking about fluoridation, I am
fortunate enough to live in an area where they figured out that was a
bad idea.

> > This is like asking the phone company to prevent minors from hearing
> > swear-words on telephone calls or prevent people from being able to make
> > prank phone calls from pay-phones.
>
>         more bad analogies... :)
Why is this a bad analogy?  Neither of these actions are currently prevented
by the telcos.

>         that said, if you don't want your ISP to diddle your packets,
>         may i suggest IPSEC?

Sometimes I use IPSEC, but, I don't want my ISP to diddle my packets
whether they're tunneled or not.  Fortunately, so far, I've been able
to find ISPs that don't.

Owen

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