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Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober)
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:37:32 -0500
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 09:58:20AM -0500, Todd Vierling wrote:
If it is on by default, it is a bug, and not operator error.
(In the case of the Barracuda) there are at least two such switches: one for spam, one for viruses. Note that when both are set to "off" that the box still occasionally emits such messages under as-yet-undetermined circumstances. I attempted to persuade one of Barracuda's engineers, months ago, that there was absolutely no valid reason for including a "feature" whose only purpose was abuse redirection. Incredibly, I was told "the customers want this feature", and that it would not be removed. And thus we now have blacklist entries such as: barracuda1.aus.texas.net barracuda.yale-wrexham.ac.uk barracuda.morro-bay.ca.us barracuda.ci.mtnview.ca.us barracuda.elbert.k12.ga.us barracuda.fort-dodge.k12.ia.us barracuda.ci.garner.nc.us barracuda.ship.k12.pa.us and many, many more. Perhaps Barracuda should simply rename those switches as "spam random individuals" and/or "get yourself blacklisted", as those are the only two things likely to result from turning them on.
(Virus "warnings" to forged addresses are UBE, plain and simple.)
When sent in bulk (as they inevitably are), absolutely. There's no exception in the canonical definition of spam (which _is_ "UBE") for "messages sent by broken anti-virus software", nor should there be. ---Rsk
Current thread:
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) W.D.McKinney (Dec 02)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Richard Cox (Dec 02)
- RE: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) W.D.McKinney (Dec 02)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Todd Vierling (Dec 04)
- RE: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) W.D.McKinney (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Christian Kuhtz (Dec 04)
- RE: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Todd Vierling (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Rich Kulawiec (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Steve Sobol (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Rich Kulawiec (Dec 05)
- RE: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) W.D.McKinney (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Richard Cox (Dec 02)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Robert Bonomi (Dec 04)
- RE: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Church, Chuck (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Geo. (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Christian Kuhtz (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Larry Smith (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Steven M. Bellovin (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Edward B. Dreger (Dec 04)
- Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober) Jamie C. Pole (Dec 04)