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Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet
From: Michael.Dillon () radianz com
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:23:42 +0000
=> seriously, there have been various proposals ([ADV],
etc) to facilitate "legit UCE," but that hasn't slowed the arms race. How would you recommend that we make it easier for legit businesses?
I don't propose that we make it easier for legit UCE. I'm simply pointing out that it's an arms race because we are solving the wrong problem. We are making it hard for people to send spam, therefore we are reaching the point where only criminals do so. I would rather see us focus on securing the email architecture. Secure submission is part of that, but for some reason people are unwilling to imagine an email system in which an ISP will only accept incoming messages from another ISP with which they have an existing agreement, i.e. rather like email peering. I happen to believe that a web of email peering agreements is the best way to get us to the point where it is difficult for anyone to anonymously send email because they *MUST* relay it through an ISP who will not accept the email for relay unless they have authenticated the user. This is solving a different problem. Spam is merely a symptom of an overly simplistic and insecure email architecture. Now that it has drawn our attention to the problem, I think we should ignore spam and focus on making a better email architecture that people can actually use again. --Michael Dillon
Current thread:
- [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jan 10)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet william(at)elan.net (Jan 10)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Michael . Dillon (Jan 11)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet David Barak (Jan 11)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Jay Hennigan (Jan 11)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Michael . Dillon (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Niels Bakker (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Michael . Dillon (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Niels Bakker (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Michael . Dillon (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Niels Bakker (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Owen DeLong (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated Stephane Bortzmeyer (Jan 13)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Michael . Dillon (Jan 11)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet william(at)elan.net (Jan 10)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jan 12)
- Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet Michael . Dillon (Jan 12)
- fixing insecure email infrastructure (was: Re: [eweek article] Window of "anonymity" when domain exists, whois not updated yet) Steven Champeon (Jan 12)