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Informal email peering (was: Email peering)
From: Dave Crocker <dhc2 () dcrocker net>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:40:25 -0700
Folks, This might not turn out to qualify under the precise term of "peering" but I like the general implication that things are not entirely open and that there are service criteria.
...I described how it could be done so that email peering IS NOT LIMITED to a few big actors.
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What is missing today? - contracted email SLAs between operators - contracted admin interoperation procedures between operators - contracted SLA and AUP with customers that allows immediate shutdown when malware is detected - organizations which can sort out all the details of the above contracts, etc. If the BGP peering side of the business can sort out all of this stuff, then why can't the email side of the business do the same, or perhaps, do even better?
Email over the Internet has important differences from IP. For the most part, IP datagrams are not differentiated. Also, peering often involves physical channels and transit service. By contrast, the issue with email, today, has to do with problematic content. This entails significantly different approaches to policy making. Because it is at the application level, service over the Internet usually does not involve special physical channels and transit services are far more limited. That said, it certainly makes sense to hold email operators accountable for some aspects of their traffic. (We need to be careful about how much, lest we slide right into pure censorship.) The approach of CSV <http://mipassoc.org/csv> is intended to have operator-to-operator accountability. A purpose of things like the spamops draft (and, more generally, the mipassoc.org approach) is to establish rough consensus on best practises for operators. With respect to something on the order of an SLA, I originally pursued the idea of formal corporate sign-up to the best practises but ran into an immediate and huge barrier. It requires too much strategic decision making by the companies. So it occurred to me that there already was an informal model of voluntary inter-operator collaboration to fight spam and that that might provide a basis for something a bit more scalable and a bit more formal. That's where a membership organization that issues formal best practises comes in. d/ --- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker a t ... WE'VE MOVED to: www.bbiw.net
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- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?], (continued)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Randy Bush (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Michael . Dillon (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Niels Bakker (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Michael . Dillon (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Steve Gibbard (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Joe Abley (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Robert E . Seastrom (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Michael . Dillon (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 19)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Jon Lewis (Jun 19)
- Informal email peering (was: Email peering) Dave Crocker (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Joe Maimon (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] william(at)elan.net (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering Michael . Dillon (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering Joe Maimon (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering Dave Crocker (Jun 18)
- Re: Email peering Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 17)