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Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering
From: Lamar Owen <lowen () pari edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:36:00 -0400
On Wednesday 05 October 2005 15:52, JC Dill wrote:
Matthew Crocker wrote:Ok, I *pay* Cogent for 'Direct Internet Access' which is IP Transit service. I *cannot* get to part of the internet via Cogent right now.
[snip]
*not* providing complete Internet access, I really don't care who's fault it is.
Right now *neither* Cogent nor Level3 are providing complete Direct Internet Access. This is a self-solving problem - why would anyone buy internet access (or renew existing contracts as they expire) from either of these networks when neither of them connect to the complete internet?[1]
I would think in NANOG that one would know the simple fact that 'The Complete Internet' is complete and utter fiction, and does not exist. What does exist is a complex, dynamic, even stochastic set of relationships between autonomous networks, who can pick and choose their relationships at whim. We conveniently label this collection of relationships as 'The Internet' and erroneously treat it as an individual, which it is not. Sometimes these individual networks are even antagonistic to each other; boo-hoo. Cry me a river; they've done what they've done and most SLA's for transit don't cover traffic outside the transit network. Take it up with your upstream, who will probably simply say it's not their problem (and it's not, unless your upstream is Cogent or Level3). You cannot reach what doesn't exist, and the Compleat Internet does not exist. All philosophy aside, it does bother me that a simple single depeering can cause such an uproar in a network supposedly immune to nuclear war (even though the Internet was not designed from the start to survive nuclear war; Paul Baran's packet-switching work aside; reference 'Where Wizards Stay Up Late' which quotes Taylor and others on the origins of the ARPAnet portion of the old Internet). I shudder to think of what would happen if there were to be a real problem (I mean, really, one link (out of many thousands) is down and the Sky Is Falling!). What happened to resiliency? 'Hold her steady, steady, Mr. Sulu.' -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu
Current thread:
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering, (continued)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Todd Vierling (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Douglas Dever (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Matthew Crocker (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Alex Rubenstein (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering JC Dill (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering James Spenceley (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering andrew matthews (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering JC Dill (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Lamar Owen (Oct 06)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Leo Bicknell (Oct 06)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Deepak Jain (Oct 06)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Niels Bakker (Oct 06)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Deepak Jain (Oct 06)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 06)
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- Re: Cogent move without renumbering Bill Woodcock (Oct 07)
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