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Re: Cogent move without renumbering
From: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson () greendragon com>
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:40:56 -0400
Randy Bush wrote:
most isps that matter are actually at ixen, though they do not exchange large amounts of traffic there. ixen do not much like the gigabits of traffic exchanged between the major isps, and the isps don't particularly wish to expose that traffic to ixen. note that this is a somewhat us-centric view, but does extend somewhat.
Unless you have data that is not published, there is no factual support for your initial statement. In the context of the earlier discussion, "ISPs that matter" would be those that have an AS, and are multi-homed, and have PI space. As far as I can tell from the data, _most_ are _not_ at ixen. And as I wrote, I argue that this is because of the lack of incentive. The incentive that was proposed many years ago -- when we already saw this coming and were small enough to do something about it -- was assignment of IP addresses based on IXen. That also had the distinct advantage that ARIN and others would be small one person operations, instead of policy-laden multi-million dollar boondoggles. The funding would more appropriately go to Ixen, which have an actual operational function.
but what does this have to do with a collection of newcomers, amnesiacs, and pontificants [re]learning the facts of life about peering, depeering chicken, etc? no answer required.
The facts of life are that because of short-sighted oligopolists that don't follow good engineering practices, we're going to become heavily regulated. And we're not going to like it! But that's another thread. This one is devoted to rapidly moving singly-homed Level(3) customers without renumbering and without destroying the routing table. -- William Allen Simpson Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32
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- Re: Cogent move without renumbering Randy Bush (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering William Allen Simpson (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering Randy Bush (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering William Allen Simpson (Oct 08)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 08)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering William Allen Simpson (Oct 08)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 08)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering Paul Vixie (Oct 08)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering William Allen Simpson (Oct 09)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering Albert Meyer (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering (was: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) Henry Yen (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering (was: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) Paul Vixie (Oct 08)
- Re: Cogent move without renumbering (was: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) Tony Li (Oct 09)
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