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Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering
From: John Payne <john () sackheads org>
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:48:01 -0400
On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 02:08:01PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:You can only be a "tier 1" and maintain global reachability if you peer with every other tier 1. Level 3 is obviously the real thing, and Cogentis "close enough" (at least in their own minds :P) that they won't buyreal transit, only spot routes for the few things that they are missing (ATDN and Sprint basically). There is no route "filtering" going on, only the lack of full propagation due to transit purchasing decisions, or inthis case the lack thereof.Exactly. And this is why Cogent's statement to the public (and their customers) is an outright lie. Level 3 isn't "denying Level 3's customers access to Cogent's customers and denying Cogent's customers access to Level 3 customers.". It's just that they deny Cogent settlement-free direct peering anymore. Cogent can get the L3 and L3customer routes elsewhere if they want. But Cogent doesn't. It's Cogentsdecision to break connectivity, not L3's.
I'm wondering why you decided it's Cogent's responsibility to pay someone for transit to Level3 and not vice versa?
I'm not saying you're wrong (or right)... but I really don't think it's as clear cut as "cogent must...". Or if it is, it's not obvious to me :)
If I would be a Cogent customer, I would have a _very_ warm word with my sales rep why they are trying to bs me with those kind of statements andthink that I actually am dumb enough to believe that.
What is Level3 telling customers? Is it more accurate?
Current thread:
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering, (continued)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Paul Vixie (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Charles Gucker (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Tom Sands (Oct 07)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Daniel Roesen (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering John Payne (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering sigma (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Micheal Patterson (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering John Payne (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Richard Irving (Oct 05)
- Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 05)
- Peering vs SFI (was Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) vijay gill (Oct 05)
- Re: Peering vs SFI (was Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) Richard Irving (Oct 05)
- Re: Peering vs SFI (was Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) vijay gill (Oct 05)
- Re: Peering vs SFI (was Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) Richard Irving (Oct 05)
- Re: Peering vs SFI (was Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering) Dorian Kim (Oct 05)