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Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam
From: "Michael K. Smith - Adhost" <mksmith () adhost com>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:11:11 -0700
Hello Hank: On 8/9/06 3:28 AM, "Hank Nussbacher" <hank () efes iucc ac il> wrote:
Back in 2002 I asked if anyone had a solution to block or rate limit outgoing web based spam. Nothing came about from that thread. I have an ISP that *wants* to stop the outgoing spam on an automatic basis and be a good netizen. I would have hoped that 4 years later there would be some technical solution from some hungry startup. Perhaps I have missed it. What I have found so far is: Detecting Outgoing Spam and Mail Bombing http://www.brettglass.com/spam/paper.html SMTP based mitigation - thing on HTTP/HTTPS Stopping Outgoing Spam http://research.microsoft.com/~joshuago/outgoingspam-final-submit.pdf Research paper - nothing practical Throttling Outgoing SPAM for Webmail Services http://www.ceas.cc/papers-2005/164.pdf Research paper - nothing practical ISPs look inward to stop spam - Network World http://www.networkworld.com/news/2004/071204carrispspam.html Bottom line - no solution So I am trying once again. Hopefully someone has some magic dust this time around. Thanks, Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il
My answer is based on the word "startup" so I'm assuming "no money" but I could be "wrong". :-) We use the standard SpamAssassin, ClamAV setup both on ingress and egress. On egress we set the detection levels and divert and save anything that is marked as Spam rather than sending it on with headers and subject modifications. We've found this to be very effective in reducing our scores with Comcast and AOL in particular and it's pretty much stopped our being blocked by those services, even using a fairly loose setting for SpamAssassin. As a service provider that forwards tons of mail to addresses on those networks (previously un-scanned so we forwarded everything, including Spam) we've found it essential to put these filters in place to guarantee (as much as anyone can) service for our email customers. Regards, Mike
Current thread:
- ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Hank Nussbacher (Aug 09)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Michael K. Smith - Adhost (Aug 09)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Jeroen Massar (Aug 09)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Allan Poindexter (Aug 09)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Michael Nicks (Aug 09)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Hank Nussbacher (Aug 10)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Ken Simpson (Aug 10)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Hank Nussbacher (Aug 10)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Peter Corlett (Aug 10)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Hank Nussbacher (Aug 10)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Michael Nicks (Aug 10)
- Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam Michael K. Smith - Adhost (Aug 09)