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Re: shim6 @ NANOG
From: "Per Heldal" <heldal () eml cc>
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:07:22 +0100
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:17:26 +0100, "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch () muada com> said:
On 4-mrt-2006, at 14:07, Kevin Day wrote:
[snip]
Unless we start now working on getting people moved to IPv6, the pain of running out of IPv4 before IPv6 has reached critical mass is going to be much much worse than a long term problem of IPv6 route size.I disagree. You assume that IPv6 will be able to gain critical mass before IPv4 addresses run out. I don't think that will happen, because of the chicken/egg problem. "Running out" is a relative term. John Klensin says we've effictively already run out because IPv4 addresses are too hard to get for some applications. That may be true but people aren't turning to IPv6 (yet) to run those applications. My prediction is that we'll see interesting things happen when the remaining IPv4 address suppy < 3 * addresses used per year. That will probably happen around the end of this decade. At that point, there is likely to be hoarding and/or the allocation policies will become stricter, and people will start to think about a future where it's no longer possible to get IPv4 addresses. At this point, there will still be time to migrate.
Doesn't the above disagreement indicate that IPv6 is incomplete until a workable locator/id-split is implemented? If so, why bother with operational policies and deployment beyond what is of experimental nature necessary to facilitate further development? //per -- Per Heldal http://heldal.eml.cc/
Current thread:
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG, (continued)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG Steven M. Bellovin (Mar 05)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG Iljitsch van Beijnum (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG Stephen Sprunk (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG David Meyer (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG Owen DeLong (Mar 05)
- Time for IPv8? (was Re: shim6 @ NANOG) Roland Dobbins (Mar 05)
- Time for IPv10? (was Re: Time for IPv8?) Roland Dobbins (Mar 05)
- Re: Time for IPv10? (was Re: Time for IPv8?) bmanning (Mar 05)
- Re: Time for IPv8? (was Re: shim6 @ NANOG) JORDI PALET MARTINEZ (Mar 05)
- Re: Time for IPv8? (was Re: shim6 @ NANOG) william(at)elan.net (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG Per Heldal (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG Michael . Dillon (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Randy Bush (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Eliot Lear (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Stephen Sprunk (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Eliot Lear (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) David Barak (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Edward B. DREGER (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Daniel Golding (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Gustavo Lozano (Mar 02)